Firefox 25 is released • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by lillycat » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:27 PM UTC

ghx wrote: post #61

Wasn't there supposed to be a new UI with this release? When you Google "firefox new ui", the headlines all point to 25 having that. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/06/05/mozilla-is-planning...

It is not yet ready. Expected for Fx 28 (but would not sign it with my blood). There is a UX Nightly with Australis (the name of the redesign) out there.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by sp332 » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:29 PM UTC

iMark wrote: post #21

p4bl0 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha, are you making a reference to this gem: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645 ?

Wow. So that's what a sense of entitlement looks like!

The developers are pretty unsympathetic though. That disclaimer on the third paragraph of CSS_Reference/Mozilla_Extensions? It might as well have been on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'. I understand the reasoning for removing the prefixed version, but they should at least give the developers more warning!

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by recursive » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:30 PM UTC

Yoric wrote: post #30

asdasf wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not suggest the size of any given update, or the schedule they are released at was evidence of stagnation. The fact that firefox is the problem browser now instead of IE is what I pointed to. It is nearly 2014. Firefox still doesn't have html 5 form elements even. Remember making internal use sites and telling people "we're not supporting IE, use firefox"? Now we're doing "we're not supporting firefox, use chro…

I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I can remember, Firefox has had HTML 5 forms since Firefox 4 ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Form... ). What exactly are you talking about?

It has some of the elements. It doesn't contain many of them, such as any of the date or time related ones.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by agumonkey » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:33 PM UTC

levosmetalo wrote: post #38

null_ptr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the stub is for an improved experience for the average user with slow internet access. You're likelier to download and run a 1MB file and then wait for the install to finish, than you are to wait for a 25MB file to finish downloading in the first place. (I wonder if they push the stub so as to collect more (system) information without having to say that it's Firefox itself that's collecting that information.)

Wrong, the stub is an annoying experience if you are behind a company firewall, or with slow connection. And the point about bandwidth saving doesn't make sense either, since instead of putting Firefox installer in a file share and be done, now I have to put there a stub, instruct everyone how to bypass the proxy, if possible, and then everyone has to download it again and again.

When chrome got released, the instantaneous feel of downloading a stub which then pull the rest was enjoyable. I understand your points, but it's not 100% annoyance, it has a little value.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by eYsYs » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:36 PM UTC

Hey FF team, did you get the cake from IE guys? This tradition started by IE always makes a good story to tell, especially for an industry infamous for cut-throat competition.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by driverdan » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:36 PM UTC

asdasf wrote: post #8

How did firefox get development stagnate so badly? We have more workarounds and polyfills for dealing with firefox than we do for dealing with IE now, it is ridiculous.

Your wording could have been better but I have to agree with the sentiment that FF is the new IE. There are so many unfixed bugs that have been ignored for years. They just work on edge case new features instead.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by mortyseinfeld » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:38 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #57

bsimpson wrote: post #53

Why is this news? I don't remember seeing a "Chrome r30 released" thread. Aren't minor updates not a big deal when a vendor is doing rolling releases?

because firefox needs some love

I hope that dicking around with Rust turns into some end-user love. I love some R&D, but Mozilla's limited non-profit funding, there should be priorities (yes, I hope they can walk and chew gum at the same time). But the point is that 3 is a magic number, and we need Mozilla to keep Google and Microsoft on the straight and true path ;)

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by thefreeman » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:42 PM UTC

p4bl0 wrote: post #11

jessaustin wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeez, why can't browser developers be more considerate of the poor put-upon user agent-detecting site developer?

Haha, are you making a reference to this gem: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645 ?

I almost lost it when he threatened to invoice them $18,000 for the time it took him to "update his thousands of pages"

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by agumonkey » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:43 PM UTC

moystard wrote: post #42

Sam121 wrote: post #28

It will hang like previous versions ? Unhappy with the performance so i shift to chrome.

I don't understand how you can be unhappy about the performance of the few last versions of Firefox. It is now quite savy in memory (especially in comparison with Chrome) and handles everything I throw at it without noticeable janks.

The GUI toolkit take its toll but I can't say enough how much the js, html/css renderer, network and memory subsystems have been improved, chrome doesn't feel faster, except on the UI side of things, but can show long lags when loading/rendering. Kudos to Mozilla.

Re: Firefox 25 is released

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Post by daleharvey » Tue, Oct 29, 2013, 4:46 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #55

With All of their effort shifted to Firefox OS. Dont expect much improvement with Desktop Firefox in the short run.

Its worth mentioning that Firefox OS and Desktop Firefox share gecko, a huge amount of the improvements for Firefox OS will be relevant for desktop, Especially regarding the performance and memory improvements.

(Also that there are definitely still people working on improvements solely to desktop, see the upcoming redesign)