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GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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Hosting is like commercial airlines. Everyone wants excellent service, but they shop on price, and expect it to be low. Those who can actually spend a lot, do it themselves anyways (private jets). This could be the beginning of a consolidation phase in the hosting industry just like what took place with airlines.

If you think this is the beginning of that phase you haven't been paying any attention at all. Just look up Endurance International Group. They own many (most?) of the major consumer brands and snag up new ones regularly. I can think of two big purchases this year already: DirectI ($110m) and A Small Orange (not sure on sale price)

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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I am a proud user of Uberspace (see https://uberspace.de) - unfortunately they are based in Germany and therefore all of their amazing documentation is in german too. They have adopted a Dokuwiki-based documentation and their support on Twitter (@ubernauten) and via mail is kind, fast and amazingly personal. It's a real shame they have no plans to expand to an international market. They claim that the quality of their service and the documentation would suffer if they'd go the dual-language route so they'd rather not do so in order to keep their current quality.

Their datacenters are located in Frankfurt so the roundtrip to the US might come with a latency you'd want to avoid, but you should at least try them anyways. They will gladly offer their support in english, but consider that english isn't their native tongue. You can even send them GPG encrypted mail.

Uberspace is quite young (they started in the beginning of 2011 afaik) but they've only improved during all that time and there was no decline in their service quality after word got around that they are the go-to provider for german customers seeking shared webhosting. They offer anything from ruby/rails to python to nodejs, mongodb, postgresql - and even php in different versions from 5.3 to 5.5 including almost all revelant point releases. They only offer 10GB of storage which is not easily expandable but they place no limit on the amount of Uberspace-accounts you create, so if you are hosting different projects you can simply scale them to different accounts which might end up on different nodes. (which are never too overbooked that it might impact the performance - and if it does, they'll upgrade the hardware to fix that!)

You decide what you want to pay! They want at least 1EUR per month but you can adjust your price to anything you want and you can even change your prices on a monthly basis. They say that they want all people to be able to state their opinion on the internet and that's why they're hoping that people with a bigger budget chose to set their price to their recommendation of 5-10EUR per month. But they will never beg you to pay more if you stay with 1EUR and your service won't suffer either. (I have several accounts and a 2 of them have the default price and I got amazingly fast help via mail despite only paying 1EUR for these accounts)

You don't need to give them any personal data if you simply want to create an account (all you need is 61000) port for you if you want to host a xmpp-server or something. You can't get unencrypted (as in non-TLS) IMAP/POP3/SMTP and they don't offer FTP because of its bad security. Instead you'll work via a fully capable SSH-connection and have SCP/SFTP-access to transfer files. Their webinterface is simpyl called "dashboard" and offers only the most basic stuff like creating virtual mailaccounts and password and SSH key-management. They're giving you your own IPv6-address and their servers have been dual-stack from the beginning. You can also create your own SSL-certificate for your own domain (which you don't even need to register/transfer at Uberspace, just add the domain to your account and setup your DNS and you're done.

If you're up to the challenge and have lots of experience as a Linux-systemsadministrator, start your own Uberspace-service outside of Germany and you'll get rich within a year if you can offer their commitment and service.

I'll never ever go back to lame hosting providers where I'll have to fiddle with crude and slow webinterfaces. At least for me the roundtrip to Sweden is acceptable and their documentation is understandable when translated to english by Google.

On the topic of Marco's claims regarding hosting providers I can simply state from my experience that Uberspace seems behave diametral to his expectations so far.

(I am not being paid for this and I'm also not affiliated with Uberspace other than being a happy customer.)

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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Thanks! So far updates are done by just dragging the whole folder unto the site dashboard again. We'll figure out what files have changes and just upload those. There's also a version history so people can always roll back changes or see how the site looked like before.

Don't take this the wrong way but $5/month for a single static site is crazy expensive. I understand wanting to have a sustainable business but for $5 you should give customers 20-30 sites IMO.

Ha. But you're not paying $5 a month for a static site, you're paying for a sustainable business to be behind your website when things go awry.

$5 a month is cheap, too cheap in fact.

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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As long as we're sharing hosting anecdotes/recommendations, I'll throw in my two cents: I've dealt with umpty gazillion hosting companies over the last 15+ years, and the only one that has consistently impressed me to the point where I recommend them to clients without any reservations is Rackspace. Both in their dedicated server offerings and the newer Rackspace Cloud stuff. (Rackspace Cloud doesn't have as much ble…

> and the newer Rackspace Cloud stuff

We've used Rackspace Cloud and Linode for several years and found Rackspace Cloud performance to be significantly worse than Linode for CPU and IO. Like, not even close. Prices are about the same. Support experiences are also similar (quick, competent responses from both sides).

The only reason we keep the Rackspace stuff around is because we want to have a relatively wide separation between our production webservices and our website / monitoring so that if one goes down that we can announce / detect that from a wholly separate network.

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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I've been a Media Temple customer since 2007 and a GoDaddy customer since 2004 [edit: I say 2004 but I don't think that's possible. I must have switched to them sometime after 2006 but I can't recall who my previous registrar was.]. I like both companies just fine though apparently not everyone has been as lucky. I don't know if GD is going to be a good home for mt since GD specializes in cheaper hosting. But... GoDa…

The owner, Bob Parsons, pays to go and shoot elephants. - http://www.brettmorrison.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/6057... - look at him with his big happy face, he could choose to spend his time and money in so many ways and he chooses to go and shoot elephants. Godaddy could shit rainbows all day long and I still wouldn't want to give them any money.

They also supported SOPA: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nmnie/godaddy_supp...

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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As long as we're sharing hosting anecdotes/recommendations, I'll throw in my two cents: I've dealt with umpty gazillion hosting companies over the last 15+ years, and the only one that has consistently impressed me to the point where I recommend them to clients without any reservations is Rackspace. Both in their dedicated server offerings and the newer Rackspace Cloud stuff. (Rackspace Cloud doesn't have as much ble…

Shared hosting is tricky. There are a million brands and lots of flavors of the week. The really small guys, some of them are probably great. It's really hard to tell though, they are 1-2 person operations that last for who knows how long. The scaling/growth problems causes a lot of pain for the owners/operators and customers. Scaling up takes a lot of skill, and then many of them get bought out by a bigger company. And then your service and experience change, especially if it was a couple person operation.

All those unscalable things they did for you to get and keep your business? They don't last forever.

So you decide to use a bigger company. And it's not the same, but it's generally more reliable. And some of those companies do a much better job than others. Some are actually pretty good. You like RackSpace, there are a few companies out there that people like as much if not more too. A few even compete in the shared hosting space.

I track most of these big companies and dreamhost is middle of the pack. Better than GoDaddy but below some other brands.

Take a look for yourself: http://reviewsignal.com/webhosting/compare

Maybe next time someone asks you about it, you can let them figure out what they need. No company is perfect, but some are definitely better liked by their customers than others.

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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As long as we're sharing hosting anecdotes/recommendations, I'll throw in my two cents: I've dealt with umpty gazillion hosting companies over the last 15+ years, and the only one that has consistently impressed me to the point where I recommend them to clients without any reservations is Rackspace. Both in their dedicated server offerings and the newer Rackspace Cloud stuff. (Rackspace Cloud doesn't have as much ble…

Shared hosting is tricky. There are a million brands and lots of flavors of the week. The really small guys, some of them are probably great. It's really hard to tell though, they are 1-2 person operations that last for who knows how long. The scaling/growth problems causes a lot of pain for the owners/operators and customers. Scaling up takes a lot of skill, and then many of them get bought out by a bigger company.…

You ought to kick in a little disclaimer that you run Reviewsginal. :)

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shared hosting is tricky. There are a million brands and lots of flavors of the week. The really small guys, some of them are probably great. It's really hard to tell though, they are 1-2 person operations that last for who knows how long. The scaling/growth problems causes a lot of pain for the owners/operators and customers. Scaling up takes a lot of skill, and then many of them get bought out by a bigger company.…

You ought to kick in a little disclaimer that you run Reviewsginal. :)

Sorry if that wasn't clear. I thought saying I was tracking this data made it obvious. Apologies if that caused any confusion.

Re: GoDaddy, Media Temple, and the Horrible World of Web Hosting

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Hosting is a pretty stressful and thankless industry. Your services can run flawless for years and your clients wont think twice about you, but as soon as the mail server crashes you are somehow evil and ruining their business. You were smart to get out. I haven't yet.

I disagree - Bytemark have been in business nearly 12 years, thousands of interesting clients, no difficult ones that I've not turned around to my way of thinking :-) We've just built our own data centre ( http://blog.bytemark.co.uk/2013/06/04/bytemark-data-centre-w... ), have launched our own IaaS product ( http://bigv.io ) and we get a lot of recommendations though as we're based in the UK we're not as big on most…

I admit, my comment was biased towards the negative side of the industry in relation to the parent comment. While I agree there are many positive experiences and opportunities in the hosting field, I've found less interest in providing raw services and more focus in specialized publishing platforms.

I like the idea of providing a layer that floats on top of a solid network like yours, and solves some of the common problems in between that layer and the final website.

We still have very happy clients from 14 years ago, when we started, but the inventor in me has been inspired by new visions.

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