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Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by omonra »

ekm2 wrote: post #41
mynameishere wrote: post #19

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Average IQ of 115 among the Ashkenazim. That's why. It's not really that interesting, but it enrages almost everyone who hears it. 115 isn't that smart, but it works out that they have a huge disproportion of members in the more important 145+ IQ range. Anyway, you'll find that Jews have similar numbers in such things as Fields medals, Senate seats, the Forbes 400, etc, all at about 15-25 percent of the total.

East asians have a higher average IQ,so it is not necessarily a straight iQ thing.

That's false. You can easily google it, here is one page: http://www.darkmoon.me/2012/world-iq-figures-with-brief-note...

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by al1x »

ekianjo wrote: post #38
marze wrote: post #29

The Jewish culture has valued certain types of intelligence for centuries, and probably as a result their average IQ is measurably higher due to selection effects. If you assume it is outliers on the IQ spectrum that will win the prize, this isn't surprising at all. I'd guess that a big reason why people of the Jewish faith have been persecuted over the centuries is that because of their IQ advantage they gain more w…

am i reading this on hn? what are your sources? and what does jewish culture mean anyway when jewish people live in all continents in very different environments and of various descents? the reason why jewish people have accumulated more wealth may as well have nothing to do with their intelligence but merely because they support each other when they are in position of power and therefore raise the status of their co…

> ..they support each other when they are in position of power and therefore raise the status of their communities.

I think the real question to ask then is what is religious breakdown of the various Nobel committee's?

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by SqMafia »

wisty wrote: post #68
SqMafia wrote: post #57

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I would be very skeptical since the same would apply to Chinese Americans too among others.

Like Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen Ning Yang, Samuel Chao Chung Ting, Shing-Tung Yau, Steven Chu, and Daniel Tsui? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American#Science_and_tech... Plus the Chinese guy who built China's ICBMs (after the US exiled him, under suspicion that he as sympathetic to his home country ... smart move that was). Oh, and Terrance Tao. There's quite a few Chinese-Americans who did pretty well. I'm not…

You also have to account for both cultures placing a very strong emphasis on education. Judaism is defined by the Torah and Rabbis are scholars. Chinese and other East Asians are strongly influenced by Confucianism which places scholars at the top.

Also Indian Americans are well represented in hard core undergraduate courses too. Not sure which direction Indian is read from. If it's the same as Hebrew and Chinese then I might have to concede :-)

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by ekm2 »

omonra wrote: post #71
ekm2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

East asians have a higher average IQ,so it is not necessarily a straight iQ thing.

That's false. You can easily google it, here is one page: http://www.darkmoon.me/2012/world-iq-figures-with-brief-note...

Check Richard Lynn's Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations

The top countries on that list are Japan(110),Hong Kong(107) and Taiwan(104).Germany and Singapore are tied at 103.

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by omonra »

ekm2 wrote: post #75
omonra wrote: post #71

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That's false. You can easily google it, here is one page: http://www.darkmoon.me/2012/world-iq-figures-with-brief-note...

Check Richard Lynn's Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations The top countries on that list are Japan(110),Hong Kong(107) and Taiwan(104).Germany and Singapore are tied at 103.

Sigh.

Did you even read the parent to which you replied?

Do you know who Ashkenazi are?

Do you realize that Ashkenazi do not have a specific country? Ie Israel IQ average is 94 because half the country are not Ashkenazi (Arabs / Sephardic Jews / others)

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by ekm2 »

omonra wrote: post #76
ekm2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check Richard Lynn's Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations The top countries on that list are Japan(110),Hong Kong(107) and Taiwan(104).Germany and Singapore are tied at 103.

Sigh. Did you even read the parent to which you replied? Do you know who Ashkenazi are? Do you realize that Ashkenazi do not have a specific country? Ie Israel IQ average is 94 because half the country are not Ashkenazi (Arabs / Sephardic Jews / others)

>Did you even read the parent to which you replied?

I did.And the 115 figure is wrong.It should actually be a range:108-115, and only for American Ashkenazim.It is a number that could be explained more by selective migration than anything else.A better comparison would have been between East Asians in the US and American Ashkenazim.The average for European Ashkenazim is about 102. There should also be a proper accounting for the bamboo ceiling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by omonra »

ekm2 wrote: post #77
omonra wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Did you even read the parent to which you replied? Do you know who Ashkenazi are? Do you realize that Ashkenazi do not have a specific country? Ie Israel IQ average is 94 because half the country are not Ashkenazi (Arabs / Sephardic Jews / others)

>Did you even read the parent to which you replied? I did.And the 115 figure is wrong.It should actually be a range:108-115, and only for American Ashkenazim.It is a number that could be explained more by selective migration than anything else.A better comparison would have been between East Asians in the US and American Ashkenazim.The average for European Ashkenazim is about 102. There should also be a proper accoun…

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4098351,00.html

"According to a study performed by Cambridge University called, "From Chance to Choice: Genetic and Justice," Ashkenazi Jews have a median IQ of 117."

That study does NOT specifically mention American Jews.

Jews in the US are just more dominant/successful because of lack of persecution. But when allowed to, Jews were even more dominant in Soviet Union. For example They comprised 3% of population and 58% of Nobel laureates (total number 26).

Lastly, your point about selective migration is completely hollow. I know A LOT about Jewish history and there was no selective migration of smarter individuals. If anything - smarter/richer Jews would tend to stay in the old country.

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by ekm2 »

omonra wrote: post #78
ekm2 wrote: post #77

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>Did you even read the parent to which you replied? I did.And the 115 figure is wrong.It should actually be a range:108-115, and only for American Ashkenazim.It is a number that could be explained more by selective migration than anything else.A better comparison would have been between East Asians in the US and American Ashkenazim.The average for European Ashkenazim is about 102. There should also be a proper accoun…

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4098351,00.html "According to a study performed by Cambridge University called, "From Chance to Choice: Genetic and Justice," Ashkenazi Jews have a median IQ of 117." That study does NOT specifically mention American Jews. Jews in the US are just more dominant/successful because of lack of persecution. But when allowed to, Jews were even more dominant in Soviet Union. For exa…

>Jews in the US are just more dominant/successful because of lack of persecution.

And East Asians are just less dominant/successful because of the bamboo ceiling.

Re: Jewish Nobel Laureates

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Post by omonra »

ekm2 wrote: post #79
omonra wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4098351,00.html "According to a study performed by Cambridge University called, "From Chance to Choice: Genetic and Justice," Ashkenazi Jews have a median IQ of 117." That study does NOT specifically mention American Jews. Jews in the US are just more dominant/successful because of lack of persecution. But when allowed to, Jews were even more dominant in Soviet Union. For exa…

>Jews in the US are just more dominant/successful because of lack of persecution. And East Asians are just less dominant/successful because of the bamboo ceiling.

Could be. Don't forget - Nobel prizes are given our for work done 20-40 years ago. So Asians doing stuff now will only get recognized in the future. With time, I think they will catch up to Jews.
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