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Re: Rich Hickey's Greatest Hits

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Post by derleth » Sun, Sep 22, 2013, 12:33 AM UTC

Kaizyn wrote: post #70

derleth wrote: post #56

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> There ain't no such thing as a prestige dialect in English. I sincerely hope this is sarcasm. > In all of them, "affect change" is just plain wrong. Cite?

Hello derleth: "Effect. As noun, means result; as verb, means to bring about, accomplish (not to be confused with affect, which means "to influence")." http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk3.html Affect vs. Effect: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/CommonWritingErrors.html#...

Those sources don't define correctness. Especially Strunk and White, which is pretty well debunked at this point:

http://www.languagehat.com/archives/003463.php

Re: Rich Hickey's Greatest Hits

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Post by derleth » Sun, Sep 22, 2013, 12:34 AM UTC

Kaizyn wrote: post #40

hdevalence wrote: post #35

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What basis for judgements of correctness would you suggest, if not facts about how English speakers speak English?

For correctness, it should be how educated speakers speak English. In this case, I would also settle for "how published authors write English."

Are your notions of correctness defined by who can get publishing deals?

Re: Rich Hickey's Greatest Hits

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Post by Kaizyn » Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 11:16 PM UTC

derleth wrote: post #71

Kaizyn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello derleth: "Effect. As noun, means result; as verb, means to bring about, accomplish (not to be confused with affect, which means "to influence")." http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk3.html Affect vs. Effect: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/CommonWritingErrors.html#...

Those sources don't define correctness. Especially Strunk and White, which is pretty well debunked at this point: http://www.languagehat.com/archives/003463.php

Sorry, derleth. It's not a matter of someone defining correct usage. It's simply a matter of looking at the dictionary definitions of the words 'affect' and 'effect'. Affect simply means to influence while effect means to bring about.