That and the NSA chip, you'd be crazy to buy one.
Apple’s Fingerprint ID May Mean You Can’t ‘Take the Fifth’
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#72I feel like the author of this article is missing the whole point of Fingerprint ID. The feature is meant to make using an iPhone more secure for those of us who tend to leave our phones unlocked and PIN-free. If you're storing anything of value on your phone, the existing password-based and PIN-based lock mechanisms aren't going away any time soon. If nothing else, it'd break too many organizations' Active Directory…
No, you're missing his point. You're in court. You refuse to admit/verify the accusation that you were in the vicinity of the deceased's home. Cell phone records, dutifully recorded and reported under warrant from NSA...er...ATT, show your phone - which you are known to carry pretty much everywhere - was in that vicinity at the crime's time. You contend that does not constitute evidence. The phone is acquired, bailif…
Just a small point of order, but if a judge issued a warrant for your cell phone records, then the NSA had nothing at all to do with it, and it went through due process.
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#73The way everyone's talking, you'd think Apple was taking away the four-digit PIN! But they're not... The fingerprint ID is just another option , which you don't have to use . So titles like this are just incorrect. Fingerprint ID isn't taking away any of your rights, because you can still use the PIN just like you always have . I mean seriously, what the heck is going on here? Why on earth are people getting worked u…
Honestly, I think it's because attacking Apple seems to be in vogue nowadays. Thus, if you have an article attacking Apple, you can guarantee higher click-thru rates. It really makes no sense. Fingerprint sensors have been built into Android phones (Atrix 4G comes to mind) since 2011 and in Windows laptops for many, many years. The sheer amount of articles discussing the Touch ID is actually astounding when you remem…
Ugh, no. This isn't an Apple vs Google or Apple against the world issue.
Wired is simply reporting the news and making people aware of potential pitfalls with using fingerprint ID on a device like this. Smartphones and tables are very popular now so what is in vogue is reporting on them.
Thanks to revelations of NSA surveillance of the last few months, these privacy-related topics are coming up more frequently now.
And, well, there's this...
1. http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/09/nsa-calls-iphone-users-zom...
2. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/how-the-nsa-spies-...
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#74At least with fingerprints, you can effectively destroy the "password" irreversibly before being compelled, since you can always cut off the tip of your finger and destroy it. Sounds messed up, but it's certainly a possibility. Since the finger is not the evidence itself, I don't think this would constitute destruction of evidence, and so long as it is done before the court asks you to unlock the device, it should no…
>Since the finger is not the evidence itself
only until it is an attached part of your body :) I can see how destroying the tip of your finger and cutting after that is ok, while in reverse would be a destruction of evidence.
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#75You know what I think? I think wired just wanted to say the word iphone in an article today.
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#76This article actually gets the law right, as it stands today. I'm not sure if it's super relevant information, but it's correct. The 5th amendment says: "No person... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..." Witness is a legal term of art, which refers to someone who gives oral testimony recounting their own experiences. Handing over a key or touching a button is not testamentary an…
Actually they got the law exactly wrong. "If the police demand that you give them the key to a lockbox that happens to contain incriminating evidence" you don't have to turn the key over without a warrant. The police have to have good knowledge that the incriminating evidence in the lockbox. And passwords are just a key. This has already gone through the courts, the courts can impel you to turn over your password, if they have evidence to suggest your computer has incriminating evidence. This won't be any different, they can't take your fingerprint or dna without probable cause. I don't see how it is any different.
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#77The way everyone's talking, you'd think Apple was taking away the four-digit PIN! But they're not... The fingerprint ID is just another option , which you don't have to use . So titles like this are just incorrect. Fingerprint ID isn't taking away any of your rights, because you can still use the PIN just like you always have . I mean seriously, what the heck is going on here? Why on earth are people getting worked u…
The reason this is a "big deal" is because the finger print ID is one of the 3 (or so) main reasons anyone would/should upgrade to the new iPhone, and if one of the 3 reasons to upgrade isn't a reason anymore due to it's issues, then it's important to make a major mental note of that.
Also, keep in mind that there are a lot of features on the iPhone (such as the key-pad ASCII password option) which even tech-savvy folk don't know about, let alone the layman. This option of using a PIN could be just as hidden unless a big deal is made out of this (educated speculation, I know).
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#78A little off-topic, but can someone tell me why fingerprint-access is even a needed feature? With PIN access, you get good enough security when you also enable the lock-after-10-mistypes. And 4-digits is only about a few seconds slower than fingerprint access...and since you already have instant access to incoming calls and to the camera, in what situations do we need insta-touch access to our phones? Phones are gett…
It's a 'needed feature' to avoid the hassle of passwords in general. Unfortunately Apple has, as usual, snatched lame from the jaws of awesome by rendering the fingerprint reader inaccessible to apps.
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#79This article actually gets the law right, as it stands today. I'm not sure if it's super relevant information, but it's correct. The 5th amendment says: "No person... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..." Witness is a legal term of art, which refers to someone who gives oral testimony recounting their own experiences. Handing over a key or touching a button is not testamentary an…
Actually they got the law exactly wrong. "If the police demand that you give them the key to a lockbox that happens to contain incriminating evidence" you don't have to turn the key over without a warrant. The police have to have good knowledge that the incriminating evidence in the lockbox. And passwords are just a key. This has already gone through the courts, the courts can impel you to turn over your password, if…
When the 5th amendment applies, it protects you even when the police have a warrant. Courts have not reached agreement about whether turning over a password is like turning over a key or scanning your thumbprint. See: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130425/08171522834/judge-...
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#80"But if we move toward authentication systems based solely on physical tokens or biometrics — things we have or things we are, rather than things we remember"
If the argument is valid it seems that it could also be applied to public key encryption.