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Re: Bring Me Your Accents. Immigration Fuels Innovation

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Post by dud1983 » Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 4:54 AM UTC

The racism of pg is subtle, but still racism, not so much from him but from his acolytes and zealots who even now in this thread can be seen taking his word as gospel and demote anyone who fits their interpretation of pg's words as an untouchable

Now these new untouchables will be rejected from many other accelerators who do nothing but copy whatever YC does in the vain hope that they too can land the next dropbox and airbnb, and rejected because they talk "funny"

At the same time expect to see a lot of teams made mostly of either foreign and domestic engineers who aren't "that good" when it comes to public speaking being indirectly coerced into accepting a dumb white bro as CEO just to get past the initial selection process of any accelerator.

Re: Bring Me Your Accents. Immigration Fuels Innovation

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Post by devilsadvocate8 » Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 8:04 AM UTC

snitko wrote: post #7

Slightly offtopic: The whole idea of the immigration restrictions is ridiculous. There is not a single justification for it. Unless of course you believe that somehow your people deserve better than everyone else. When people bring up the fact that it drives down wages and residents lose as a result - why don't they also mention that residents win by getting a cheaper product or a service? When people bring up the we…

What right do you have to keep me out of your house? If every people that built a society and culture to generate wealth were compelled to take in all comers, there would be none left.

Re: Bring Me Your Accents. Immigration Fuels Innovation

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Post by sireat » Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 9:50 AM UTC

defen wrote: post #8

This whole "controversy" is so stupid. It consists of people taking pg's words out of context and assigning the maximally stupid interpretation to them. I mean, are there any examples of successful U.S. based founders who have accents that are so heavy that you struggle to understand what they are saying? I'm genuinely curious.

I am completely puzzled too by this controversy. I did not see pg saying that people with heavy accents could not be funded. He just said that CEO has to be a good communicator and not having a heavy accent (compare late 1960s Schwarzenegger to one in 2000s to see how one can improve) is part of the deal.

There is nothing preventing people with heavy accents taking a technical co-founder role.

Anecdotal evidence: my father the technical co-founder of a products company has a rather heavy accent while his US born co-founder was the CEO. It worked out decently for them and very well for the company itself: company has been bought for the 2nd time, that is VCs sold it to a conglomerate.

Re: Bring Me Your Accents. Immigration Fuels Innovation

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Post by the_watcher » Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 3:50 PM UTC

dud1983 wrote: post #70

the_watcher wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PG is a huge supporter of the Founder Visa, but he hates immigrants? Come on everyone, dig a bit deeper. Luckily, PG has written an entire essay on this sort of topic[1], and how "taboos" are generally seen poorly by history. I'm sure the taboo biasing towards extreme political correctness and willfully ignoring things that can improve outcomes for people because they don't fit in some idyllic worldview will suffer t…

And yet he supports FWD, a stealth superpac whose only mission is to get as many cheap temp. engineers as possible in the country. Foreign founders are SOL, no company is going to hire he who will disrupt them out of the market, and those who get in are doomed to menial positions with no change of getting ahead in the company. The real losers will be local engineers who will be priced out of the market, downwards I m…

This is such an incredibly poor description of FWD. And generally, those who oppose increased competition are those who cannot compete.