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Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by bingaling »

Zelphyr wrote: post #49
oinksoft wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any good reason for removing the distinctive behavior of an element that so many older websites use, even if it is considered a design faux pas? History should not be destroyed.

I agree that history should not be destroyed and in sites that have old pages with the blink tag it won't be. But I think its fine for the browser makers to remove old cruft. Especially in this case where the behavior can easily be replicated in Javascript.

or css (shamelessly stolen from http://www.jwz.org/jwz.css):

  @keyframes         blink { 0% { opacity:1; } 75% { opacity:1; } 76% { opacity:0; } 100% { opacity:0; }}
  @-webkit-keyframes blink { 0% { opacity:1; } 75% { opacity:1; } 76% { opacity:0; } 100% { opacity:0; }}
  @-moz-keyframes    blink { 0% { opacity:1; } 75% { opacity:1; } 76% { opacity:0; } 100% { opacity:0; }}
  @-ms-keyframes     blink { 0% { opacity:1; } 75% { opacity:1; } 76% { opacity:0; } 100% { opacity:0; }}
  @-o-keyframes      blink { 0% { opacity:1; } 75% { opacity:1; } 76% { opacity:0; } 100% { opacity:0; }}

  blink {
    text-decoration:   inherit;
    animation:         blink 0.75s ease-in infinite alternate;
    -webkit-animation: blink 0.75s ease-in infinite alternate;
    -moz-animation:    blink 0.75s ease-in infinite alternate;
    -ms-animation:     blink 0.75s ease-in infinite alternate;
    -o-animation:      blink 0.75s ease-in infinite alternate;
  }

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by azakai »

acomjean wrote: post #11
6cxs2hd6 wrote: post #6

I'm really looking forward to the overhaul on the road map that moves more things off the main UI thread. I keep switching from Chrome to Firefox for reasons of principle ... and keep switching back to Chrome for reasons of performance. I hate myself, but can't help it. Firefox will briefly freeze scrolling a long page. Firefox will beach ball for 15 seconds after resuming laptop from sleep. And so on. None of it is…

I love firefox too. But for me it always starts slowing down half way through the day (about the same time as I do). Maybe its firebug? This has happened on windows and mac. Restarting it makes it work better, like myself after lunch. Its still my favorite browser though.

Firebug can definitely slow down the browser. You can try browsing for a while without it, perhaps using a separate profile.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

#73

Post by zobzu »

ishansharma wrote: post #67
6cxs2hd6 wrote: post #6

I'm really looking forward to the overhaul on the road map that moves more things off the main UI thread. I keep switching from Chrome to Firefox for reasons of principle ... and keep switching back to Chrome for reasons of performance. I hate myself, but can't help it. Firefox will briefly freeze scrolling a long page. Firefox will beach ball for 15 seconds after resuming laptop from sleep. And so on. None of it is…

Well, I am on Windows 7 and it is fine enough but at times, it does get slow. I also keep changing between Chrome and Firefox. Chrome just feels way faster. Apart from that, Chrome has very nice features that make life easier. The PDF preview of Chrome is great. It can rival the PDF viewers on desktops easily. Heck, it helped once when I had to get a printout at a shop and they didn't have PDF Reader installed. I jus…

I use PDF.js in FF it seems fine for a PDF reader. Its integrated and reasonably fast

Re: Firefox 23 is available

#74

Post by Gormo »

nsmartt wrote: post #40
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #23

So what about "Disable Javascript" option to be removed in Firefox 23? Was it? That is a dealbreaker for me.

The idea is that non-technical users shouldn't have options in preferences that will break the web for them, and that technical users will use about:config or an add-on (e.g. NoScript). I find it difficult to argue with that. edit: clarity. total rewrite.

"Non-technical users" is a contradiction in terms. If you're using technology, you're a "technical user".

If you don't know how certain options work, you should leave them alone; but if you don't leave them alone and something breaks, it takes only common sense and not specialized knowledge to suspect that the thing you changed has some relationship to the thing that broke.

De-featuring software for the presumptive convenience of a presumptive lowest-common-denominator user is not a good practice.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by ishansharma »

zobzu wrote: post #73
ishansharma wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I am on Windows 7 and it is fine enough but at times, it does get slow. I also keep changing between Chrome and Firefox. Chrome just feels way faster. Apart from that, Chrome has very nice features that make life easier. The PDF preview of Chrome is great. It can rival the PDF viewers on desktops easily. Heck, it helped once when I had to get a printout at a shop and they didn't have PDF Reader installed. I jus…

I use PDF.js in FF it seems fine for a PDF reader. Its integrated and reasonably fast

Well, I'm a student and lot of searching for me ends on PDFs. Some with figures etc. are broken and display fine in Chrome. FF is good but Chrome is much better, that was comparison I was making!

Re: Firefox 23 is available

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Post by actionscripted »

M4v3R wrote: post #3

> Support for new scrollbar style in Mac OS X 10.7 and newer Finally. That one took quite a long time for them. It looks simple in the change log, but I suspect that it was actually quite a big change under the hood. EDIT: Woops, it seems that this is an error on release page, since they've hit a regression [1] and they've pulled the feature, it's due to come back in v24. And is seems I was right that this was actual…

Scrollbars aren't bad at the moment, but this one has bothered me for a while: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780726

A quick resize (redraw) fixes things, but it's the only app on my machine that tweaks like that going from space to space.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

#77

Post by btgeekboy »

nfoz wrote: post #46
polyvisual wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, I have very similar problems. Google+ is a great example - it slows to a crawl after a few minutes of browsing - it particularly becomes unusable when I scroll down and it loads more content via AJAX. I'm on Xubuntu 13.04.

Reminds me of early web when Microsoft's websites always worked a lot better in IE than other browsers. And maybe they still do.

Still do, particularly their partner pages. Chrome's basically a no-go, while Firefox is usually functional if not pretty.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

#78

Post by smackfu »

Gormo wrote: post #74
nsmartt wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea is that non-technical users shouldn't have options in preferences that will break the web for them, and that technical users will use about:config or an add-on (e.g. NoScript). I find it difficult to argue with that. edit: clarity. total rewrite.

"Non-technical users" is a contradiction in terms. If you're using technology, you're a "technical user". If you don't know how certain options work, you should leave them alone; but if you don't leave them alone and something breaks, it takes only common sense and not specialized knowledge to suspect that the thing you changed has some relationship to the thing that broke. De-featuring software for the presumptive c…

Your vision of users is so adorable.

Real people just don't act that way.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

#79

Post by agumonkey »

slacka wrote: post #34
cyphax wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could've written this myself. I love Firefox and I used it for years but at some point it became rather unusable and after it forgot which tabs I had pinned as app tabs for the fifth or so time (because I had to kill a completely unresponsive Firefox, this happened often) I was angry enough to actually give Chrome a try. It is SO much more responsive, even just the UI. I've kept Firefox up-to-date but I don't want…

Firefox has come so far from the memory hogging 4.0 days. Like others here, I give it a shot ever few month and UI responsiveness always sends me back to Chrome. The resurrected electrolysis project can’t come soon enough. The irony is what use to be its greatest flaw, memory usage/leaks, is now it's greatest strength. Around Chrome 15+ memory usage started ballooning and was too much for my 2GB netbook. A laggy UI i…

On Nightly it's even better, it's aggressively compacting memory, it was running around 30% (2GB total) instead of 40+ a few weeks ago. Kudos for their effort. I wish they could replicate a tiny bit of it toward the GUI.

Re: Firefox 23 is available

#80

Post by negativity »

scott_karana wrote: post #68
negativity wrote: post #27

...and remember, kids. JavaScript is now compulsory.

By what definition of compulsory?

In that inexperienced users are not well-informed of the option to disallow it, and might not understand that indiscriminate, promiscuous execution of JavaScript as a default behavior can be hazardous. ...at least as hazardous as connecting to unencrypted Wi-Fi.

To whit: http://beefproject.com/

New users aren't even readily informed that JavaScript is a thing.

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