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Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

mst wrote: post #50
jeremysmyth wrote: post #38

Tor can be used for good and for bad. It's the very same problem that Cory Doctorow talks about in his lectures about the War on General Purpose Computing, and it's not an easy problem to solve. I'm an admin on a social/gaming site (a MUD with appendant forum, blogs, and other community elements), and we have had to make a few decisions about Tor in the last couple of years. Some background: the site is quite old, an…

Assuming you have the technical capability, requiring an email address and confirmation for only tor users could work. Freenode does something similar - tor and other problematic traffic sources can connect but must use connect time SASL to authenticate to a previously created account, which is sufficient to exclude the vast majority of the griefers.

What good would email address confirmation do? You do know about mailinator, right?

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by JohnTHaller »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #71
mst wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you have the technical capability, requiring an email address and confirmation for only tor users could work. Freenode does something similar - tor and other problematic traffic sources can connect but must use connect time SASL to authenticate to a previously created account, which is sufficient to exclude the vast majority of the griefers.

What good would email address confirmation do? You do know about mailinator, right?

Most sites that have issues with trolls and find IP blocks insufficient can also block on mailinator and similar domains.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by mike-cardwell »

visarga wrote: post #68
mike-cardwell wrote: post #40

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No, you do not get any such thing. Basically, the client and the machine hosting the hidden service both connect to a rendevouz point and communicate via that. The connections to the rendevouz point are not direct. They are bounced through three nodes, with three layers of encryption, each node being able to peal off one layer before passing it on to the next. This is why hidden services are pretty slow. Every packet…

It's bearable. I avoided Tor for years thinking it would be too slow. My mistake. You can even watch YouTube on it.

There is enough bandwidth. It is latency that is the problem. That's why stuff like streaming videos or downloading large files over hidden services works fine.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #72
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #71

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What good would email address confirmation do? You do know about mailinator, right?

Most sites that have issues with trolls and find IP blocks insufficient can also block on mailinator and similar domains.

No, they attempt to block similar domains. And completely fail at it.

I never use my main email for anything I don't feel requires it, and while maininator.com is often blocked, I've never in my life had to refresh the mailinator page more than twice for an alternate domain that works. Since mailinator accepts email from any domain that has it's MX record set to it, if you own a domain you can set it to be an alternate name to mailinator in seconds. Enough people have done this.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by haiduc »

seszett wrote: post #30
devcpp wrote: post #19

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Weird, the French part looks like the output of a translator. There are a few faults of vocabulary, grammar and sentence structure. Your translation is correct though.

Oles (Octave Klaba, the CEO)'s French is always terrible. This is probably one of his best written sentences.

The fact that he arrived in France from Poland at the age of 15 may explain that. Plus that his whole family works with him. Does anyone know if he speaks polish with them at work? The company is 100% family owned! Not bad.

His story in french: http://www.capital.fr/enquetes/hommes-et-affaires/octave-kla...

The first interview I ever heared from him, on a french radio/Tv: http://www.bfmtv.com/video/bfmbusiness/it-for-business-lhebd...

His views on the french state subsidized cloud attempts: http://pro.01net.com/editorial/584765/octave-klaba-un-fourni... "That is not enough to put on the table a big amount of money."

http://www.vaporcloud.info/ "Vous aussi vous en avez marre des annonces franco-françaises autour du Cloud financé par l'argent public ? Adoptez le Cloud français d'OVH.com. "

His twitter with nice pictures of OVH infrastructures: https://twitter.com/olesovhcom

Keep on Oles!

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by devicenull »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #74
JohnTHaller wrote: post #72

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Most sites that have issues with trolls and find IP blocks insufficient can also block on mailinator and similar domains.

No, they attempt to block similar domains. And completely fail at it. I never use my main email for anything I don't feel requires it, and while maininator.com is often blocked, I've never in my life had to refresh the mailinator page more than twice for an alternate domain that works. Since mailinator accepts email from any domain that has it's MX record set to it, if you own a domain you can set it to be an alterna…

No, it's actually super easy to block it if you're clever enough ;)

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by jul3s »

UVB-76 wrote: post #58
kristofferR wrote: post #37

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Their support is totally abhorrent though, be prepared waiting days/weeks instead of minutes/hours for any support at all, they abruptly change your TOS and server specs without telling you, cancel you order for no reason without telling you or even refunding you etc. They're totally horrible to deal with, unless you make minimum wage you're probably going to spend more on packets of Tylenol due to all the headaches…

Indeed. I ordered a Kimsufi server five days ago with a guideline setup time of 24 hours. Placed the order, made payment, no doubt I'm already paying for the service, but five days later, I'm still awaiting setup. Their ordering process is painful. Their online management interface is atrocious. Communication is poor. It's true what they say about paying peanuts...

"no doubt I'm already paying for the service, but five days later, I'm still awaiting setup."

I'm a long time OVH customer and I can ensure you that your contract term will start only when you get your server.

As far as I know the first 1000 "3euros" servers got sold faster than they thought. Now they are building new ones. Be patient, your server is coming. ;-)

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by pyre »

supergirl wrote: post #46
pyre wrote: post #39

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If you provide access to the website as a Tor hidden service, do you get some sort of unique ID for the computer connecting that can be banned? I don't know much about the Tor protocol, but if you're on the receiving end of packets that need a response, you need a way to address them back.

Doesn't matter if his website is a hidden service or not. The communication between the website and the user is done through Tor relays, which are shared. There cannot be any unique ID tied to the user because that would break anonymity.

> Doesn't matter if his website is a hidden service or not.

Well, when it's not a hidden service, it's the exit node that gets to see the contents of the message before sending it (unless it's SSL of course) to the wider Internet. If there was a unique ID within the Tor network, no one on the wider Internet would be able to see it. My thought was that if you were connecting directly to a hidden service within the Tor network, there might be a unique ID. Sounds like even connecting to hidden services within the Tor network is done indirectly.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

devicenull wrote: post #76
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #74

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No, they attempt to block similar domains. And completely fail at it. I never use my main email for anything I don't feel requires it, and while maininator.com is often blocked, I've never in my life had to refresh the mailinator page more than twice for an alternate domain that works. Since mailinator accepts email from any domain that has it's MX record set to it, if you own a domain you can set it to be an alterna…

No, it's actually super easy to block it if you're clever enough ;)

Could you point me to a site that does successfully block it?

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by JohnTHaller »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #74
JohnTHaller wrote: post #72

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Most sites that have issues with trolls and find IP blocks insufficient can also block on mailinator and similar domains.

No, they attempt to block similar domains. And completely fail at it. I never use my main email for anything I don't feel requires it, and while maininator.com is often blocked, I've never in my life had to refresh the mailinator page more than twice for an alternate domain that works. Since mailinator accepts email from any domain that has it's MX record set to it, if you own a domain you can set it to be an alterna…

There are tons of lists that are regularly updated that list all published mailinator.com domains. While it's true you can set up a new one on a subdomain of your own, as soon as you publish it to mailinator and it enters the rotation of the domains that come up, it's easily added to the lists and blocked. There's even a commercial live list with plugins for most email systems that blocks on any of the hundreds of mailinator-listed domains as well as over a thousand other disposable email domains.

Heck you can just write a script to refresh the mailinator.com homepage to start pulling out domains to block: @veryrealemail.com, @chammy.info, @mailinator2.com, @spamthisplease.com, @sogetthis.com, @mailinator.net, @binkmail.com, @sendspamhere.com, @spamherelots.com, etc.

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