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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by unknownian »

NotUncivil wrote: post #42
unknownian wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And another thing: /g/ in particular is known for much pointless banter arguing over the best GNU+Linux distro or giving minor tech support to non-natives of /g/. Attempts have been made before to make something substantial on the board and this time it seems we can do it.

The list of (supposedly substantial) things /g/ has made as compiled by /g/, today [1], is as follows: 1. http://aloonix.neocities.org/ 2. https://github.com/notuncivil/host-as-image [2] 3. https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch 4. https://4chan-x.just-believe.in/ 5. http://tox.im/ 6. http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ The above list is in no particular order. [1] https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S35615929#p35616305 [2] Full…

I had forgotten about some of those. The various sites /g/ has put up are pretty good too.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by banachtarski »

tptacek wrote: post #67
pairofslacks wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not you "strongly disagree" doesn't change the fact that it was created independently by other people as well, evidenced by the third comment in one of the links latitude posted ( http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 ) and in archived threads where multiple people came to the current design on 4chan's /gd/ that Daiz posted.

I'm not invested in this issue enough to argue about it. I look at a lot of systems like this and was struck by the novelty of the logo, is why I commented. Take that for whatever you think it's worth.

If you aren't invested, how can you open with "strong disagree."

Seems like you're invested up to the point when you're wrong, which is a pattern I've observed on this site in general.

Incidentally, your anecdotal "feelings" about whether something feels original or not make for a pretty weak argument.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by jessaustin »

Daiz wrote: post #54
latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

Honestly, I don't see the concept being so unique and original that someone else couldn't have come up with it independently, and frankly the Tox logo has a much nicer balance (in the Tox logo, the person/keyhole works much better, whereas in yours it doesn't really work as a "keyhole" in my opinion) than the versions you linked. EDIT: The logo was originally made in /gd/ (4chan's graphic design board), and since the…

Cool story bro. However, these links seem to prove GP's claim: that his design has priority.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by jessaustin »

Plexion wrote: post #55
latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

I think this is a matter of coincidence. The lock and chat bubble leads itself to a familiar look. I'm pretty sure you aren't the first person to think of such a concept, and neither are we. Besides, the icon was made by an anonymous person so it's not really like we can blame anyone.

Besides, the icon was made by an anonymous person so it's not really like we can blame anyone.

Isn't that convenient?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by PhearTheCeal »

rodolphoarruda wrote: post #66

"...application that allows you to connect with friends and loved ones." ...who know what to do next after they click the 'download' button and are forwarded to a GitHub page. I'd like to give the app a try, but I look at that page and I don't know where to start.

The app isn't even in alpha stage yet, it was started a month ago.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by salad »

jessaustin wrote: post #74
Plexion wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a matter of coincidence. The lock and chat bubble leads itself to a familiar look. I'm pretty sure you aren't the first person to think of such a concept, and neither are we. Besides, the icon was made by an anonymous person so it's not really like we can blame anyone.

Besides, the icon was made by an anonymous person so it's not really like we can blame anyone. Isn't that convenient?

It's kind of how 4chan works. I'm not sure exactly what you're implying.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by 3825 »

unknownian wrote: post #60
latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

We definitely did not steal. People were making mockups for weeks.

It is OK. However if you are making a community project you should definitely change your logo to be distinctive of existing projects. Please fix. The original project expressed their desire to be visually distinct and it would be very nice of you to respect their wishes.

This will remove the unnecessary distraction for you. Note that this is not without precedent. Mozilla renamed Firebird to Firefox because of the community's opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by anologwintermut »

latitude wrote: post #70
pairofslacks wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not you "strongly disagree" doesn't change the fact that it was created independently by other people as well, evidenced by the third comment in one of the links latitude posted ( http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 ) and in archived threads where multiple people came to the current design on 4chan's /gd/ that Daiz posted.

As I said in the (edit) of the original comment, the originality is secondary to the timing. When you finalize a logo, you typically run a quick due diligence (a Google search) to see if you reinvented a wheel. If you did, you scrape it and start afresh. Tox didn't do that and they should've.

Except, you run that check to make sure your not running afoul of someone's trademark restrictions/ using a logo associated with an existing brand. (Which, unless I am missing something here, they are not.). They should have run it, but just because they found your result doesn't mean they had to scrap something they (allegedly) did themselves.

If they came up with it independently(a very legitimate question given the similarity of the --- very nice by the way --- logo, but one they seem to have evidence for) then there seems to be no moral problem or even a legal issue.

You're basically claiming "I thought of it first, there for it's mine" which is both legally wrong in the US for copyright(independent creation is a defense) and morally bullshit in the same way that Amazon's one click ordering patent is.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by kostyakow »

latitude wrote: post #70
pairofslacks wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not you "strongly disagree" doesn't change the fact that it was created independently by other people as well, evidenced by the third comment in one of the links latitude posted ( http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 ) and in archived threads where multiple people came to the current design on 4chan's /gd/ that Daiz posted.

As I said in the (edit) of the original comment, the originality is secondary to the timing. When you finalize a logo, you typically run a quick due diligence (a Google search) to see if you reinvented a wheel. If you did, you scrape it and start afresh. Tox didn't do that and they should've.

Using your logic, we can conclude that no one should be able to use the wheel, because at some point in the past someone else invented it?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by zokier »

peterwwillis wrote: post #30
shin_lao wrote: post #15

Unconvinced. * Lossless UDP? Is there a reason not to do TCP? * There is no way to know if the public key is genuine, so the system is very sensitive to MITM. * The key exchange is inadequate. Why not do DH if it's just to have session keys? * The system is very easy to brute force as the acknowledgement is based on a known plain text. This is very bad . A quick glance at https://github.com/irungentoo/ProjectTox-Core…

I can't think of a real-time streaming multimedia application that uses TCP. It probably exists, but nobody uses it; it's simply easier and more efficient to deal with lossy formats over a medium that doesn't care about data loss. (Note that I said real-time. Buffering is fine for one-way communication, lousy for conversations)

For text chat TCP works perfectly fine. IRC and XMPP are the prime examples.
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