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Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#71

Mushrooms can cause bad trips. Keep that in mind. It might not be as frequent as with other substances, but it is possible. I know people who had bad trips from mushrooms. So be careful. A really bad trip can be nightmare.

"That which does not kill me makes me stronger."

It's possible to learn quite a lot from bad trips. Some would argue that they're more valuable than good trips, where you may not learn much at all. Bad trips can involve facing unpleasant but important aspects of yourself, your life, that of your friends or family, or the world around you. Try to learn from them and use the insight you get from them to grow and improve your life.

That said, I personally think that strong psychedelics are best used under the guidance of a good therapist, who can help you deal with the very powerful and sometimes unpleasant experiences that many people have trouble assimilating on their own.

Unfortunately, psychedelics are currently taboo and illegal in much of the world, and most therapists either don't want anything to do with them or are ignorant of their incredible therapeutic potential. However, there are still some theraphists out there who are knowedgeable and willing to work with these substances and with the right clients. It may take some work to find them, but could be very worthwhile to do so, if you are serious about self-discovery and constructive use of these substances.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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I've collected Spitzkeglige Kahlköpfe (Psilocybe semilanceata) for several years, and send more then 100 people on a trip. So some advise from an old hippy, in random order:

Its easy to confuse Psilocybe semilanceata with Düngerling (Panaeolus papilionaceus), that is growing on same meadows, but at different times. Its less dangerous to collect magic mushrooms, then to collect mushrooms for food, because most mushrooms mimic a poisonous one. If you collect magic mushrooms and pick the wrong one, then you don't have a trip, but if you collect mushrooms for food, and pick the wrong one you become ill, and might even die. But still, always collect them with someone who knows them well, because else you might pick non magic light poison mushrooms first, think you need high dose to feel something, and next time you take a much to high dose, if you got the right ones.

Do not eat them when tired in the evening, but better at the morning before eating anything else. Do not drink or take other drugs same time. I prefer to put them into a yogurt or quark. Drink a tea afterwards, wait 10 minutes after eating them, and then eat as much as you can, because you need the power, and likely are not able to eat anything while on trip.

Always take them in a small group of friends you really trust, and one of the group should stay sober, just for the case one goes crazy. Agree beforehand that you care for each other, and that you do not send anybody into a hospital, because insane asylums makes everything worse. They will put people on hard drugs, so those people become asylum addicted. Be prepared that someone might need help after a trip. Those who went crazy will become sane within a week, if you care for them at a good place, e.g. a cottage in the rural, but they might become asylum addicted for decades, if they can get no other help then those who exploit them for health insurance money.

Be prepared to go outside. Walking miles is very common on a mushroom trip. The one who is sober must ensure that the group stays together and nobody gets lost. Being alone on a trip is a very bad setting. Do not walk through the city, but through nature, and avoid places where big crowds of people are, e.g. dance clubs or festivals. The sober guy is also the mule for water, and should ensure that everybody is drinking enough.

Mushrooms do not cause addiction, but they are an anti-drug. Everybody I know who collected mushrooms in my age stopped it at some time, including me. But never try to blow up your trip forever. Never add more mushrooms to am existing trip, neither because of impatience nor because you want to continue the "fun". The only cases I know of people who got locked in (drug induced psychosis) on a trip are those who eat several times within a few days, and those who went to an insane asylum, where the trip is treated with other even more dangerous drugs.

The main trip will be 4-6 hours, followed by an activity phase of an other 6-8 hours, followed by a vibrant phase of several days, where memories of the trip come up very vivid, and feelings are very different. The complete trip takes a week most often. So never take them more then once a month. And never more then 3 times a year. Mushrooms are not a party drug, they are a sharp tool to reshape your mind. Be prepared that memories of your trip will burn deep into your mind. A trip is a lesson you will never forget. So do not take them, if you have bad feelings, in a bad group, in a bad set or setting.

Magic mushrooms are called magic for a good reason. You might encounter things that can not be explained by science. Those magic comes often together with a horror trip. e.g. my worst horror trip was when I was walking through a part of the city where lots of drug and drunk people party, and a few of them had green faces. Each of them stuck me with a horror. And the horror became even worse over the next half year, as each of them died on an overdose of heroin.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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I went to a school with many friends who experienced with hallucinogens regularly. But they always followed these rules: 1 - don't look at a the mirror 2 - cars are for real 3 - you can't fly

Can you please elaborate on the point "don't look at the mirror"? What would the person see?

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Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So were the notes worth anything?" You mean were the worth anything when considered from the perspective of the ordinary state of consciousness? Clearly in one particular altered state of consciousness they were considered worth something. So the question becomes which state of consciousness trumps which other state of consciousness? Or which one gets to decide what's worthy and what's not? Often, people who see the…

This kind of philosophy just muddies the waters. This article is recommending using drugs for entrepreneurs. Most human beings spend >99% of the time in their normal state of consciousness rather than a mushroom state of consciousness. So from a practical perspective, the question whether the insights actually produced something tangible in the real world is perfectly legitimate. At least to me, the (obvious) questio…

"Most human beings spend >99% of the time in their normal state of consciousness rather than a mushroom state of consciousness. So from a practical perspective, the question whether the insights actually produced something tangible in the real world is perfectly legitimate."

But the very question of "whether the insights actually produced something tangible in the real world" can itself be evaluated from many different perspectives and states of consciousness.

Sure, the question itself is perfectly legitimate. I'm just not sure how to evaluate the answers.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to play devil's advocate here, I can claim that our ordinary state of consciousness is the most legitimate one (the one that is closest to reality, if there is such thing as objective reality), or at the very least the most useful one - otherwise we would have evolved for the different state of consciousness. The burden of proof would be on you to justify that the altered state of consciousness is indeed more in…

"I can claim that our ordinary state of consciousness is the most legitimate one (the one that is closest to reality, if there is such thing as objective reality), or at the very least the most useful one - otherwise we would have evolved for the different state of consciousness." Is your view that that we have evolved for the ordinary state of consciousness a view that was made and evaluated in an ordinary state of…

"Is your view that that we have evolved for the ordinary state of consciousness a view that was made and evaluated in an ordinary state of consciousness? Should its worth be evaluated in an ordinary state of consciousness? How should we decide if it's valid? Why should something that is considered "most useful" be more valid than something that is considered "less useful"?"

Because the other states of consciousness, for one reason or another, had disappeared. Though it's entirely possible that many different states of consciousness exist in the human population now.

I interpreted the original post of yours as saying "altered consciousness helps us to see through the smoke of our normal/ordinary consciousness, and help us to perceive reality as it is (or at least, with less smoke)". Hence the reply was concerned with the similar idea. And with this interpretation, the Picasso's analogy doesn't hold: indeed, Picasso painting is great not because it's an accurate depiction of reality, but because it's a different one (in a great way). The value of his works lies in his interpretation of reality, and not the accuracy in replicate reality.

Now, if you meant that no state of consciousness necessary perceives reality objectively better than the others, just merely different, and they would have different values on their own - I certainly can't disagree on this.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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post #64
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So were the notes worth anything?" You mean were the worth anything when considered from the perspective of the ordinary state of consciousness? Clearly in one particular altered state of consciousness they were considered worth something. So the question becomes which state of consciousness trumps which other state of consciousness? Or which one gets to decide what's worthy and what's not? Often, people who see the…

This kind of philosophy just muddies the waters. This article is recommending using drugs for entrepreneurs. Most human beings spend >99% of the time in their normal state of consciousness rather than a mushroom state of consciousness. So from a practical perspective, the question whether the insights actually produced something tangible in the real world is perfectly legitimate. At least to me, the (obvious) questio…

If you put on a pair of polarizing sunglasses, things look different, and you'll notice things that you might not notice otherwise. Some thinngs are just artifacts of teh polarization, other things are actual characteristics of what you're looking at that were always there but weren't as easy to see. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizing_filter_(photography)

It's not so much a question of being sharp or not - whether from lack of sleep or drugs, if you're tripping you may feel great but your actual performance on any objective measurement is probably going to be well below optimal. I mean, take a look at this art: http://flyeschool.com/content/repetition-rhythm-and-pattern Very little of this addresses reality, but that doesn't mean it's not interesting.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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post #60
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So were the notes worth anything?" You mean were the worth anything when considered from the perspective of the ordinary state of consciousness? Clearly in one particular altered state of consciousness they were considered worth something. So the question becomes which state of consciousness trumps which other state of consciousness? Or which one gets to decide what's worthy and what's not? Often, people who see the…

Just to play devil's advocate here, I can claim that our ordinary state of consciousness is the most legitimate one (the one that is closest to reality, if there is such thing as objective reality), or at the very least the most useful one - otherwise we would have evolved for the different state of consciousness. The burden of proof would be on you to justify that the altered state of consciousness is indeed more in…

The ordinary state of consciousness is definitely the most useful one, subject to a certain amount of path-dependency. But equally the fact that your ordinary routine of eating, sleeping, going to work etc. is the most useful one doesn't mean that fasting, staying up all night, or taking a vacation are lacking in value. You were dead right with your other comment about how a Picasso picture is an interpretation of reality rather than a depiction of it, while recognizing that we can learn a lot from considering other interpretations.

You should read a book called The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind by Julian Jaynes, I think you'd like it a good deal.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#78
DO NOT WALK AROUND OUTSIDE while on LSD! That's dangerous and disrespectful to everyone else.

I don't know if there's a Acid uprising in St. Louis but there have been an increase in incidences of young men tripping while out in public. One of them scared the hell out of my mom, then stripped naked and ran around yelling "I love LSD" while the police ran after him. The other almost got hit as he walked in and out of traffic. I get they want to experiment but the combination of being a male (doing risky stupid shit) and being young (thinking you're invincible) can have deadly consequences.

Please trip at home. Edit: OR at your friend's house who lives on a nice open flat farm.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#79

DO NOT WALK AROUND OUTSIDE while on LSD! That's dangerous and disrespectful to everyone else. I don't know if there's a Acid uprising in St. Louis but there have been an increase in incidences of young men tripping while out in public. One of them scared the hell out of my mom, then stripped naked and ran around yelling "I love LSD" while the police ran after him. The other almost got hit as he walked in and out of t…

I guess you never took mushrooms yourself.

Nearly everybody has the urge to go outside, to walk miles, and to fresh air on a trip. So my advise, take a trip where its save to go outside. Do not take a trip in a big city, but somewhere in nature.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

The title is slightly misleading as I actually believe that every person should... and here's my story why.

Liked your essay, but I think you should go ahead and change your title. Psychedelics can make you a better entrepreneur, or a better artist, or (insert role here), but in the sense that becoming a more rounded, experienced and thoughtful person will enhance your professional activities. Your specific profession is orthogonal to your scope for personal development.

Nobody should take mushrooms with the goal of enjoying more business success - a compartmentalized approach as implicitly (albeit unintentionally) suggested by your title is likely to be counter-productive when the walls of one's mental compartments start leaking. I knew a fellow who stared at a glass of orange juice during a trip with such intensity that he felt he had become one with it.* He got very upset when someone else picked it up and drank the juice.

* in the sense that Van Gogh once painted a vase of sunflowers with such intensity that he became one with it. What your mind chooses to focus its attention on is not a question of value.

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