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David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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post #16

Are there any real studies on the "corrosive influence" of porn on children? I'm pretty sure every young teen boy has seen porn these days. The only actual studies I'm aware of say that porn reduces actually violent sex crimes. It acts as a substitute.

Teen pregnancy is also way down: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.pdf

I would contraceptive usage would play a much larger part then internet porn.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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post #66

Personally speaking I would be glad to have this filter, but I wouldn't want to force it on other people. So if people got a choice about enabling the filter I would be okay with it, i.e. if it was opt-in. In that case it's providing a service to people who need a human barrier to help them stop looking at porn if they have a problem. Any preventative mechanism that you set up for your own sake is pointless when you…

Even a opt-in filter on an infrastructure level would imply DPI, and therefore would enable the ability for traffic analysis. And besides it creates a national 'watches porn' list.

If the filter is opt-in, it's a "doesn't want to watch porn" list :)

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Considering my mobile ISP (GiffGaff) thinks that the ThinkPad wiki is pornographic, I genuinely can say all this is going to do is break the internet.

The last thing we need is a broken Internet here. The economy is fucked enough already.

Add to that the whole is censorship right debate (it's not unless it's opt-in), the pre-crime list this generates and we're right into blatant fascism.

Where do we even start at fixing all this? I think we're helpless.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Personally speaking I would be glad to have this filter, but I wouldn't want to force it on other people. So if people got a choice about enabling the filter I would be okay with it, i.e. if it was opt-in. In that case it's providing a service to people who need a human barrier to help them stop looking at porn if they have a problem. Any preventative mechanism that you set up for your own sake is pointless when you…

> Are there any arguments against an opt-in filter? The legislation is for an opt-out filter.

The govt has no business telling Google/Bing/Yahoo what their development targets are.

If you want an opt-in filter just search for it.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I wish he would have at least nodded his head to the idea that creating censorship infrastructure today, even for the right reasons, might lead to problems tomorrow. Also I wish whatever reporter wrote the story had asked his take on that.

What do you think his intention is, to do the right thing?

He knows what he's doing and there's no reason to expect him to acknowledge the "side-effects" of an evil regulation.

And the reporter is not responsible for realizing this; you are.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish he would have at least nodded his head to the idea that creating censorship infrastructure today, even for the right reasons, might lead to problems tomorrow. Also I wish whatever reporter wrote the story had asked his take on that.

Hilarious. In which fantasy land is every outcome of a law predictable before it gets issued.

The land which the politicians don't want.

They're not ignorant to the outcome here - it's exactly what they want and has been planned that way.

This is a serious fucking power grab.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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How is this going to work if people https to sites outside the UK?

When you connect to an HTTPS site, your browser send the domain (hostname) unencrypted, so that the server can select the right certificate. If it doesn't/didn't, the server could only have one site per IP, so you could identify the site by doing a reverse DNS query.

In any case, blocking access to an HTTPS site is not a significant technical problem.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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post #8

Meh. I doubt the Tories have a clean house in this regard. Every time some politician or other 'moral leader' starts pontificating about moral panic, I get suspicious that they're just trying to ban their vice. Clearly if they're so vocally opposed to it, they mustn't be partaking, right? Glenn Loury and cocaine. Mark Foley and the exploitation of children. Eliot Spitzer and prostitution. John Ensign and 'family valu…

Perhaps we should get together and pay for signage to be made up promoting this?

After all, that's what they want for us.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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post #8

Meh. I doubt the Tories have a clean house in this regard. Every time some politician or other 'moral leader' starts pontificating about moral panic, I get suspicious that they're just trying to ban their vice. Clearly if they're so vocally opposed to it, they mustn't be partaking, right? Glenn Loury and cocaine. Mark Foley and the exploitation of children. Eliot Spitzer and prostitution. John Ensign and 'family valu…

A 2011 survey found that 80% of 18-24 males in the UK had watched porn online[1]. I'm comfortable assuming that a significant percentage of Tories have or do watch it as well.

[1]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/12918531

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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post #35
post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

> > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. > Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With this on the books, it seems a short hop to outlaw videos of simulated murder. Even without such an extension, aren't there plenty of Hollywood movies which include "scenes of simulated rape"?

I have a copy of A Clockwork Orange, so I would be an abhorrent pervert owning illegal extreme pornography?
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