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Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#71
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I attended a networking event recently where I was pitching to a guy who had a high rank in our local university's IT program and is respected as an entrepreneur also. Anyway, he was challenging me on everything I was saying (which I thanked him for at the end), and one question was: "If what you are doing is so great, why aren't the big boys already doing it." My first response was that the key is to do it better, w…

Guy sounds like a credentialed idiot.

> He also derided my location as if some guy from a small town in Ohio couldn't build anything worthwhile. Yes, I know pg's thoughts on location and there is some merit to that, but the assertion he made is a bit too over the top for me.

Amen.

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#72
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be useful to have something like: * Still in HS * Still in College * Still in PhD program to help weed those out.

The question is pretty clear, and the 'high school' result should show those that are currently IN college/university.

Claiming that someone who's been in college for several years' highest level of education is "high school" presents a very odd definition of the word "education". Perhaps you meant degree?

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#73
post #40

I attended a networking event recently where I was pitching to a guy who had a high rank in our local university's IT program and is respected as an entrepreneur also. Anyway, he was challenging me on everything I was saying (which I thanked him for at the end), and one question was: "If what you are doing is so great, why aren't the big boys already doing it." My first response was that the key is to do it better, w…

Just curious: I met a lot of good programmers from small towns in Ohio when I went to Case Western, is that the "local university" you're referring to? (if so, I also have some guesses on who the "guy" was :)

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#74
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I posted that before parent edited his post (classy). Initially, he only claimed that my point was a fallacy and made no argument whatsoever.

No, I posted that before parent edited his post (classy). Now if only I could become as classy as you, injecting ad hominem jabs, bitter snark, and class warfare into the argument as a replacement for actually backing up your points. [edited for wit]

Am I tired, or was that comment nothing but ad hominem? Perhaps you should take the high road next time and assume that I am just stating my own opinions, not trying to argue with anybody.

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However, as you're egging me on, I will rebut your flimsy argument, the crux of which is this anecdotal beaut:

"It just seems unlikely that there's 'very little' that the computer science program gave to the developer. It certainly doesn't match what I've actually seen in-field."

If that's all you have to lean on, I don't understand how your comment was upvoted so much. Absent in your analysis is a thorough inventory of what college gives you: While it provides new opportunities for learning, it also does not provide things that you get in the working world, such as

* Business sense and professionalism

* Assuming you don't live at home, a sense of independence: Knowing how to take care of yourself at 22 when everyone else is just figuring out is a huge advantage, believe it or not

* Documented experience

* References from others with working-world experience

On the other hand, there are indeed negatives of going to college. To me, the greatest one is the massive time drain: I work in the day, go home, teach myself more, read history, learn chess, and basically provide my own education. This is not by design, but rather, by my nature. It's unfortunate that so many take education to be the exclusive realm of educational institutions.

Sitting through lectures and working to verify for your professors that you are learning, to me, is a waste of time, when I know damn well if I've learned it properly. If I haven't, and it's important, it will show quickly back at work.

Oh, and college costs tens of thousands of dollars.

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#75

Tough one. I'm a high school dropout, so I had to check Elementary School. Now, I've taught at colleges (electronics and linear mathematics), but I've never actually attended one as a student. Some lives are weirder than others, I guess.

how did you get the certification needed to teach linear algebra?

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#76
post #52
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're a person who doesn't need a university program, then you're a person who can get an incredible amount of value out of one as well. No school gives you anything, but you can take a hell of a lot out of a halfway decent program.

Absolutely, school has lots to offer, but what's often missing from the equation in discussions like these is opportunity cost. People compare school vs "not-school" as if the alternative to school is sitting on your butt. In truth, one can accomplish a heck of a lot with that time and money. It's a hugely personal decision of course.

I would say "In truth, SOME can accomplish a heck of a lot with that time and money." I think it really depends on the person, and their experiences up to the end of high school.

Give me that time and money now, and I can hopefully accomplish something useful.

Give me that time and money when I was just out of high school, and chances are very good that it would have gone to waste. I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life (still don't, but a bit less so than back then), I had no idea how to work hard, and only a vague idea of how the world works. Those are things I started to learn in college.

The opportunity cost goes both ways.

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#77
post #13

Did bachelors at sydney uni and masters at the university of NSW. If i have a chance in future i would love to go to school in america. Have plans to do so if all goes well.

UNSW has a brilliant instructor in computer science -- I've watched a bunch of vids by him. Richard Buckland. Explains things really well. I'm doing a higher diploma (software devt)in NUIGalway, Ireland... doing M.Sc. next year. primary degree was in Commerce 10 years ago. go figure.

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#78
post #73
post #40

I attended a networking event recently where I was pitching to a guy who had a high rank in our local university's IT program and is respected as an entrepreneur also. Anyway, he was challenging me on everything I was saying (which I thanked him for at the end), and one question was: "If what you are doing is so great, why aren't the big boys already doing it." My first response was that the key is to do it better, w…

Just curious: I met a lot of good programmers from small towns in Ohio when I went to Case Western, is that the "local university" you're referring to? (if so, I also have some guesses on who the "guy" was :)

"Case Western, is that the "local university" "

No. Wrong side. ;)

Re: Poll: What is your highest educational qualification?

#79
post #9
post #7

Pst. Don't exclude people without college degrees. They're often far more resourceful, in my experience, and there's little that college gives you as a developer. Hire the person, not the school.

Yeah, I don't have a college degree.

Me neither and there are a few instances where I regret it, but mostly during the time I "should" have been in school I was learning how to run my own company, live and provide for myself, taxes, health care and everything else. I have college educated friends who have gone back to working retail with no savings account because they don't know better. (I yell at them and teach them things from time to time, least I can do when I see friends making mistakes.)

I think in the long run it wont matter what level of education I've "completed", I'm always going to be learning and I'm always going to try to be good at what I do. Taking classes might help me one day, you never know.

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