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Why the IRS is Targeting Open Source Software Groups

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Re: Why the IRS is Targeting Open Source Software Groups

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You're creating and then trashing a strawman. He said that he couldn't come up with ANYTHING that a "Tea Party" group could do outside of politics with the 51% of their money, other than launder it by giving it to other groups. Why don't YOU come up with something OTHER than changing public policy that a Tea Party group would do with that 51%? Any Tea Party group is a political group by definition, and shouldn't qual…

My point was that it doesn't matter that HE can't come up with anything. The IRS agent can't just be like, "well I don't think there's any way that a tea party group could be doing social welfare. Denied!" They have to use actual facts. They look at where their money was spent. They look at the rules and regulation for what is considered social welfare and what isn't. Then they determine whether or not 51% of that mo…

>They have to use actual facts.

If I understand the process, it DOES involve judgement of IRS agents. The IRS requires that applicants describe what social welfare activities they're going to take part in. If they didn't put something in that blank that was reasonable, then of course they weren't rubber stamped.

The Tea Party is pretty much all about reducing government size and spending and reducing taxes, with a few other standard conservative (guns, military) and libertarian (privacy, intrusive government) positions thrown in [1]; what could a "Tea Party" organization do that would promote the social welfare? Looking at teaparty.org, there's nothing in their set of 15 core beliefs that fall under "social welfare", [2] except arguably "Traditional family values are encouraged." Pretty much a stretch to expect 51% of their money to be spent "encouraging family values" and only 49% on politics.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement.

[2] http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/

Re: Why the IRS is Targeting Open Source Software Groups

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People complain that government doesn't do a good enough job, but then people complain when government tries to do a better job.

Totally. Just earlier today I was reading something about how the IRS taxes citizens who have their wealth abroad. People were very angry! But these are the same people who want more taxes on the rich. All I could think was, 'Hold up a second guys, aren't you familiar with the key ways the rich avoid taxes?'

Are you really sure those are the same people? I'm guessing not.

Re: Why the IRS is Targeting Open Source Software Groups

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Except thanks to the complexity of laws, the IRS and other federal agencies are tasked with interpreting and enforcing said laws. If Congress didn't like the interpretation they could have just passed a new law clarifying that fact.

So... if "the sky is blue" is interpreted to mean, "the sky is green," we have to wait for Congress to pass a new law stating, "the sky isn't green?"

To be fair, the original wording was pretty bad. If a non-profit had someone pay $1 into a political fund (potentially without approval) they could lose their nonprofit status.

This is obviously not the intent of the law, but would be the 0% everyone throws around.

You could say <1% or something, but now you are arbitrarily drawing a line. Thus I would point out that not drawing a line is by extension impossible.

Re: Why the IRS is Targeting Open Source Software Groups

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My point was that it doesn't matter that HE can't come up with anything. The IRS agent can't just be like, "well I don't think there's any way that a tea party group could be doing social welfare. Denied!" They have to use actual facts. They look at where their money was spent. They look at the rules and regulation for what is considered social welfare and what isn't. Then they determine whether or not 51% of that mo…

>They have to use actual facts. If I understand the process, it DOES involve judgement of IRS agents. The IRS requires that applicants describe what social welfare activities they're going to take part in. If they didn't put something in that blank that was reasonable, then of course they weren't rubber stamped. The Tea Party is pretty much all about reducing government size and spending and reducing taxes, with a fe…

They're not using the same definition of "social welfare" that you have in your head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)_organization#501.28c.29.... http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/20...

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