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Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by lotso » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:15 AM UTC

scld wrote: post #54

kytmizuno wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the problem happens when Person A buys a game disc and lends a digital copy to Person B. Person A then disconnects from the Internet and plays using the game disc and Person B plays with the 24H online check in. Now you have two people playing the same game at the same time with only one copy of the game bought.

How does that not happen with their old system? You buy a disc, install it, remove the disc (doesn't need to go back in) and then give it to someone else?

You need the disc in the tray to play games installed to the hard drive (that weren't digital downloads).

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by lotso » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:16 AM UTC

nhebb wrote: post #40

> You could install all your games onto your hard drive and not have to get up all the time to swap discs Holy crap, that's lazy. Who wrote this, Eric Cartman? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjjVtvxRMs

>Holy crap, that's lazy.

Isn't a lot of the benefits of technology about making things easier to do?

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by frozenport » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:16 AM UTC

> For example, if Apple had listened to prevailing wisdom in 2007, the iPhone would have had a physical keyboard.

For example, if Apple had gone with their initial plans we wouldn't have Apps.

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by chaostheory » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:17 AM UTC

lotso wrote: post #65

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #35

Try hard as they might, it's impossible to make those "features" sound good. This one is especially amazing: "You could re-sell your physical disc game to Gamestop or any participating outlet that opted into Microsoft’s revenue sharing system." Gee, thanks, Microsoft! It's not like those outlets will pass the cost right onto the consumer or anything (oh wait, they will). It's incredible how the Xbox team thought, "Lo…

>It's incredible how the Xbox team thought, "Look at that money over there. Let's take it!" What's next, Wal-Mart charging Ralph Lauren every time a customer comes in wearing a Polo shirt (because why should other clothing companies get free advertising in their store)? Could you explain this analogy because it makes zero sense to me. >The other issue? For the author to be completely honest, every "benefit" mentioned…

> How is it different than Steam, other than the point than speculating that Microsoft would never aggressively discount games as much as Steam does now

They don't allow developers to self-publish, and Valve is privately owned by a benevolent dictator who won't be prone to public investor pressure for short term quarterly profits. People trust Valve to do the right thing.

Microsoft on the other hand has a history of just shutting down their DRM servers without making it right for the customers who bought into their DRM'd products.

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by nhebb » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:19 AM UTC

skeletonjelly wrote: post #52

nhebb wrote: post #40

> You could install all your games onto your hard drive and not have to get up all the time to swap discs Holy crap, that's lazy. Who wrote this, Eric Cartman? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjjVtvxRMs

You could say the same thing about having your entire music library at your fingertips digitally and having to get up to swap a CD.

You can play music while doing other things. With video games, it is the thing that you are doing. If getting out of a chair to swap a disc is a big issue for someone, that's really not a healthy sign.

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by tokenizerrr » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:20 AM UTC

lotso wrote: post #65

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #35

Try hard as they might, it's impossible to make those "features" sound good. This one is especially amazing: "You could re-sell your physical disc game to Gamestop or any participating outlet that opted into Microsoft’s revenue sharing system." Gee, thanks, Microsoft! It's not like those outlets will pass the cost right onto the consumer or anything (oh wait, they will). It's incredible how the Xbox team thought, "Lo…

>It's incredible how the Xbox team thought, "Look at that money over there. Let's take it!" What's next, Wal-Mart charging Ralph Lauren every time a customer comes in wearing a Polo shirt (because why should other clothing companies get free advertising in their store)? Could you explain this analogy because it makes zero sense to me. >The other issue? For the author to be completely honest, every "benefit" mentioned…

> I would imagine they would allow you to play parts of the game without needing to install the whole game, similar to Steam.

What games on steam do that? I've literally never seen that. Unless you mean like seperatation of single and multiplayer, but those are both still rather big.

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by dclowd9901 » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:21 AM UTC

thornkin wrote: post #50

Maxious wrote: post #7

Gizmodo coincidently published a similar "the internet dun goofed" post http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-o...

What's the old saying? You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time?

I think the saying here is, "here's money, now write a pro-Microsoft piece."

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by nhebb » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:23 AM UTC

marshray wrote: post #56

nhebb wrote: post #40

> You could install all your games onto your hard drive and not have to get up all the time to swap discs Holy crap, that's lazy. Who wrote this, Eric Cartman? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjjVtvxRMs

If you have small kids in the house, it also saves you from the inevitability of these expensive discs getting scratched.

That actually is a great reason for going all digital. The other reason (I don't think it was mentioned in the article) is that over the years (PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360) disc drive failures have been one of the biggest hardware problems I've faced with consoles.

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by mynameisvlad » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:24 AM UTC

chaostheory wrote: post #74

lotso wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's incredible how the Xbox team thought, "Look at that money over there. Let's take it!" What's next, Wal-Mart charging Ralph Lauren every time a customer comes in wearing a Polo shirt (because why should other clothing companies get free advertising in their store)? Could you explain this analogy because it makes zero sense to me. >The other issue? For the author to be completely honest, every "benefit" mentioned…

> How is it different than Steam, other than the point than speculating that Microsoft would never aggressively discount games as much as Steam does now They don't allow developers to self-publish, and Valve is privately owned by a benevolent dictator who won't be prone to public investor pressure for short term quarterly profits. People trust Valve to do the right thing. Microsoft on the other hand has a history of…

> Microsoft on the other hand has a history of just shutting down their DRM servers without making it right for the customers who bought into their DRM'd products.

Source? Microsoft is incredibly well known for supporting products int he long term. They only shut down Xbox Live for the original Xbox in 2010. And Windows XP is still infamously supported.

Re: The Internet Just Made Microsoft Kill a Car for a Faster Horse

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Post by skeletonjelly » Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 6:25 AM UTC

nhebb wrote: post #75

skeletonjelly wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could say the same thing about having your entire music library at your fingertips digitally and having to get up to swap a CD.

You can play music while doing other things. With video games, it is the thing that you are doing. If getting out of a chair to swap a disc is a big issue for someone, that's really not a healthy sign.

Good point. Still, it's (and I loath to use this phrase) the future. Movies then. Makes more sense on a HTPC than having to swap out discs.