I'm especially appalled to see Dropbox on this list. I'm in the process of migrating to BitTorrent Sync.
US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
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Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#72Yes, this is bad. Yes, you are right to be upset. Yes you (not not really me, I'm not American and i avoid american hosting and hosting companies like amazon for exactly this reason) should change that. But honestly, are you surprised? Are you really? Government agencies have be building large datacenters, the EU loves data retention. There was no tin foil head required to see this.
No, but now there is proof, which should make a difference. How are all of these not cases for impeachment? If Fox News thought Obama should be impeached over Benghazi, they should love this.
Funny thing though... if Fox goes after Obama over this, it's tacitly admitting that Bush was evil too. I doubt they'll do that.
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#73Time to self host everything. Paranoia just became reality.
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#74So if I'm using a US based hosting provider for my customers websites, their data will be extracted ?
Probably slightly safer using a US hosting company. At least some civil rights apply but I don't think there are any rules against the NSA spying on people outside the US.
The story that the CIA sold cocaine is pretty much outside of the realm of conspiracy theories. The idea that spying agencies care about laws is ridiculous. Why should they? If they are doing their job right no one will ever know.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to be too conspiracy theorist but maybe just maybe this was why Skype was bought by Microsoft in the first place? The thought crossed my mind at the time of purchase but I sent it away skuttling because I deemed it too tinfoil hatty. My main regret at the time as a Linux enthusiast was that Skype's Linux offering was sure to suffer, so I had that angle more on my mind than government aiding and abetting.
Why would Microsoft buy Skype to make government easedropping easier?
Just guessing, but maybe tax breaks or some government contracts.
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#76Very interesting that the NSA's own material refers to Facebook's "surveillance" features:
With a few clicks and an affirmation that the subject is believed to be engaged in terrorism, espionage or nuclear proliferation, an analyst obtains full access to Facebook’s “extensive search and surveillance capabilities against the variety of online social networking services.”
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#77Note link at the bottom to the powerpoint slides in question: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-...
That link looks more like a security classification to me.
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#78Yes, this is bad. Yes, you are right to be upset. Yes you (not not really me, I'm not American and i avoid american hosting and hosting companies like amazon for exactly this reason) should change that. But honestly, are you surprised? Are you really? Government agencies have be building large datacenters, the EU loves data retention. There was no tin foil head required to see this.
When people wanted to talk about this kind of massive wiretapping program years ago, they were called paranoid nutcases. Now that the truth is coming out, people who want to talk about it are called out for belaboring the obvious. I see this "are you so naive as to be surprised?" reaction in almost every thread about this. It's some kind of defense mechanism.
I think it depends on who your talking about. If your a decently educated person who follows political developments at least minimally, and to boot you're a developer - I really agree with the OP, should anyone be surprised here? Haven't you been acting all along like all data that major corps are collecting on you was public anyway? On the other hand, if your talking about an everyday citizen with a "normal" job, I think your criticisms are more in place.
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#79Yes, this is bad. Yes, you are right to be upset. Yes you (not not really me, I'm not American and i avoid american hosting and hosting companies like amazon for exactly this reason) should change that. But honestly, are you surprised? Are you really? Government agencies have be building large datacenters, the EU loves data retention. There was no tin foil head required to see this.
Im not sure being not American saves us. Do you use any of those US services? If so, I assume they have your data.
If you are British, as I am, I assume our government is shovelling off all our data to the US too.
As far as I am concerned, the internet is now pretty much like having our lives bugged. Might as well go the whole hog and have CCTV in all house holds. Heh, for all I know they access out webcams, etc. So, we might already be there.
I'm afraid the US has essentially infected the internet with a cancer what will only spread. Freedom, privacy, liberty, on the internet is officially gone. Sure we all "knew" about the likes of echelon for years, but it was officially dismissed as loony conspiracy talk. Now we know it basically true.
Sad thing is, this is under the watch of a Democrat, started by a Republican. Who is going to dare to reverse this?
Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, but now there is proof, which should make a difference. How are all of these not cases for impeachment? If Fox News thought Obama should be impeached over Benghazi, they should love this.
Funny thing though... if Fox goes after Obama over this, it's tacitly admitting that Bush was evil too. I doubt they'll do that.
That's suggesting that they have even the slightest compulsion to not be hypocritical. I'd expect them to hit him hard on this (and good for them, even if their reasons for doing so might be dishonest).