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Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by hga »

reader5000 wrote: post #70
hga wrote: post #62

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http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=717&cate... http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Produc... But most people just use Duracoat: http://www.lauerweaponry.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.d... As in the famous, and very real and functioning California legal Hello Kitty AR-15: https://www.google.com/search?q=hello+kitty+ar-15&tbm=is... Or see this curated list: http://www.kittyhell.com/ca…

Gun corporations exploit dim bulbs for profit. It's the harsh truth, friend.

So the million plus citizens of the US who use guns in 2.5 million legitimate self-defense incidents per year are "dim bulbs"?

While you're taking a utilitarian vs. moral approach to this, its reminiscent of this definition which continues the theme of my last reply:

"Gun Control: the theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound."

Or in mirror this variant I like on an old saying, "God created men and women, and Samuel Colt made them equal."

And it should go without saying that no friend of mine would call me a "dim bulb." Patronizing, I'd say, which continues the theme, per Wiktionary, the etymology is: "Old English patron (reborrowed from Latin patronus, derived from Latin pater (“father”)) +‎ -ize (“(verb ending)”)."

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by reader5000 »

hga wrote: post #71
reader5000 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gun corporations exploit dim bulbs for profit. It's the harsh truth, friend.

So the million plus citizens of the US who use guns in 2.5 million legitimate self-defense incidents per year are "dim bulbs"? While you're taking a utilitarian vs. moral approach to this, its reminiscent of this definition which continues the theme of my last reply: " Gun Control: the theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman expla…

The Kleck number of 2.5m is based on a phone survey of 5000 Americans from 1992. In other words, it has no scientific value.

Haha, strangled with her own panty hose huh? Listen, I don't know what gun people get off to, but alley-way rape occurs about as frequently as mass shootings. Almost all sexual assaults are perpetrated by known acquaintances of the victim. Adding a gun to the mix is only going to make things worse.

And you are being a bit disingenuous. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are males. It is 100% an image thing, just like driving a big truck or getting a "badass" tattoo.

All I'm saying is, if you don't think corporations are above profiting hugely off of hysteria and fear, you've never watched the nightly news.

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by jlgreco »

evan_ wrote: post #63
jlgreco wrote: post #61

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> "rob a store ... With a 3d printed gun you can." Can you? The reason guns work so well for robbing is because they work really well at threatening. This is why you can rob a store with an airsoft gun or with children's toys with the orange bit removed. Toys that look like guns work great, but guns that look like toys? Not so much The fact that it seems incredibly unlikely that they will become more than single-shot…

You don't think it's ever going to be possible to make a 3d-printed gun that looks like a gun?

Out of plastic? No. It will either look like a gun, or it will be a gun. Not both.

For robberies "looks like a gun" is what is important, unless your goal is to actually murder as well. "looks like a gun" has been something you could always print and it has yet to become a problem for society.

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by hga »

reader5000 wrote: post #72
hga wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the million plus citizens of the US who use guns in 2.5 million legitimate self-defense incidents per year are "dim bulbs"? While you're taking a utilitarian vs. moral approach to this, its reminiscent of this definition which continues the theme of my last reply: " Gun Control: the theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman expla…

The Kleck number of 2.5m is based on a phone survey of 5000 Americans from 1992. In other words, it has no scientific value. Haha, strangled with her own panty hose huh? Listen, I don't know what gun people get off to, but alley-way rape occurs about as frequently as mass shootings. Almost all sexual assaults are perpetrated by known acquaintances of the victim. Adding a gun to the mix is only going to make things wo…

If phone surveys are "of no scientific value", you ought to tell the Department of Justice they're wasting taxpayer money: http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245

According to Wikipedia according to the Department of Justice, 26% of rapes are by strangers, which doesn't fit my definition of the inverse of "almost all".

And while most guns may be technically owned by men, that hardly matters if they're available for the women in the household to use in self-defense.

And again with the profit; can you not understand that the vast majority of us just don't give a damn that the firearms industry makes a healthy profit? This is an argument that has weight with gun grabbers, not gun owners.

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by cwsteinbach »

chiph wrote: post #66
chiph wrote: post #60

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One thing that wasn't mentioned in the article is that he had to embed a metal block into the plastic so that the gun was detectable on an x-ray machine. This was to comply with the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988. Could someone who had a printer and the downloaded file skip that part? Yes. But they could possibly be fined and jailed for up to 5 years. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-102/pdf/STATUTE-102-Pg3...

Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) has issued a statement that he plans to push for an extension of the law banning undetectable firearms. The current law (100-649) will sunset in December of 2013. > “Everyone’s seen the movie ‘In The Line of Fire,’ where one of the great bad guys, [played by] John Malkovich, labored at making a gun out of plastic and wood so it could get through metal detectors and he could assassinate…

It's genuinely refreshing to have a senator who isn't embarrassed to admit that his newest legislative proposal is inspired by the plot of a Hollywood thriller.

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

quux wrote: post #56
cturner wrote: post #16

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I think it's a big story. 3d printing opens many possibilities that CNC doesn't offer. A CNC requires specialised skill. Downloading and printing 3d doesn't. Building guns with a CNC requires a lot of labour. Whereas you can imagine having a lab full of 3d printers being operated by a single pensioner. 3d printers look like they'll be generic and mass-produced. If so, in ten years there will be 3d printers everywhere…

Indeed. When the 3d printed AR-15 receiver was making news, I did some research and found that people had been carving them out of wood blocks for years and years. This is nothing so new. The newness comes from being able to have an unskilled user setup a 3d printer, buy some ABS plastic to feed into it, download a file from the internet and begin producing guns. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing, but it's…

Why imagine anything that complex? You can buy all the guns you want at Walmart today.

Anyone who can afford a 3D printer and the material can already afford a cheap rifle that will work infinitely better.

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by Torgo »

mikemoka wrote: post #19

The only control possible might be included by law in 3D printers themselves I think, just like modded car can be fined buyers and sellers of non-limited 3D printers could be fined/prosecuted as well, given that such control is possible. I am against control in general because it limits creativity and innovation but I am not sure it is in everyone's interest to let weapons flow freely and without any possible limitat…

Put tracers in the raw 3d printer material like they do with fertilizer, so that 3D devices can be traced.

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by lucb1e »

omni wrote: post #53
lucb1e wrote: post #42

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For starters, there is no Walmart here, nor is ammunition legally obtainable as far as I know.

Which country are you in? I wasn't aware that any non-authoritarian countries had complete bans on all types of ammunition.

What do you need ammunition for when you aren't allowed to have weapons?

Besides, what non-authoritarian country considers cryptography to be ammunition?

Edit: Looked it up, if you got a license (for either hunting or a shooting club) you can legally have and buy weapons and munition.

Re: World's first 3D printed gun test fired

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Post by reader5000 »

hga wrote: post #75
reader5000 wrote: post #72

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The Kleck number of 2.5m is based on a phone survey of 5000 Americans from 1992. In other words, it has no scientific value. Haha, strangled with her own panty hose huh? Listen, I don't know what gun people get off to, but alley-way rape occurs about as frequently as mass shootings. Almost all sexual assaults are perpetrated by known acquaintances of the victim. Adding a gun to the mix is only going to make things wo…

If phone surveys are "of no scientific value", you ought to tell the Department of Justice they're wasting taxpayer money: http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245 According to Wikipedia according to the Department of Justice, 26% of rapes are by strangers, which doesn't fit my definition of the inverse of "almost all". And while most guns may be technically owned by men, that hardly matters if they're available…

You still don't understand what I'm saying. You live in some fantasy world where girls get raped in alleyways and you're apparently the self-appointed gun-toting White Knight here to save her. This is the fantasy that you have bought into, and pay hundreds of dollars per year to gun corps to sustain. Anyway, convo done.
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