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ATM Skimmers

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Re: ATM Skimmers

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This is pretty scary stuff, I mean fuck, every time I see a story like that I can't help but be amazed at how incredibly insecure the services of credit card companies are, and how hypocritically they behave at every single step about security.

It's an arms race, never throw in the big guns if you want to stay ahead. I'm no expert, but this is ain't rocket science. Suppose the insurance company covers $256K worth of damages, it's useless to add more security when the damages total $192K. The insurance company would periodically (or rather sporadically) evaluate their claim requirements (ATM must have grade X lock, must weigh at least Y tonnes, etc.) and adjust for common risks (according to past cases). Between upgrading the contract to cover more risk and implementing security measures, the latter will probably have a better cost-benefit. The costs saved not doing anything beyond the minimum helps their bottom line and potentially you as well (albeit indirectly), by offering you a better deal (i.e. slightly lower interest rates) than their competitors.

This may not be exactly how the system is set up, but I think I'm not too far off.

Re: ATM Skimmers

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Yes, I started doing this as soon as I got a debit card after two of my friends were beat up to surrender their pin numbers. One of my friends was held for 7 hours in a tunnel by a thug while his pal was busy taking as much cash as possible and when the limit was reached he started buying expensive, easy to sell goods. He lost all of his money. I learned my lesson from his very traumatic experience.

"my friends were beat up to surrender their pin numbers. One of my friends was held for 7 hours [...] He lost all of his money." That's horrible. Not to try to minimize, but something doesn't sound right, though (in the US). Risk of loss on debit cards should be up to $50, if you notify your bank within the first 48 hours, under the Federal Electronic Fund Transfer Act.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit_card…

It's not a debit card transaction, it's an ATM withdrawal.

Re: ATM Skimmers

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This is an epidemic at gas stations in Southern California. I've been nailed by skimmers in LA, and a lot of my friends have too. My girlfriend refuses to use the debit cart option at Arco gas stations for fear of her card info being stolen again, and its a legit concern. They're impossible to spot unless you plan on trying to pry off the front of every payment kiosk, which as far as I know most banks and gas station…

I always jiggle the reader with a bit of gusto before I use an ATM. All of the ATMs that I have found have been sturdy enough that I don't worry about damaging them.

I do too, but having never seen a skimmer, I'm not sure how effective this is. The slots are often loose enough to jiggle, though not loose enough to seem fraudulent.

Re: ATM Skimmers

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I always tug at the card reader on the ATM to make sure it doesn't come loose. What I don't understand is why don't ATMs in Europe use chip and pin yet? All the stores do. That would solve this problem.

If you suspect a skimmer, be aware that the person operating the skimmer might be close-by and not too pleased to see you take it apart.

Very unlikely.

Re: ATM Skimmers

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You can easily demagnetise it, with even a kitchen magnet [0]. [0] http://lifehacker.com/5780617/how-to-prevent-yourself-from-o...

Yes And then your card is useless when in a place that only reads the stripe (like, that uses Square)

kalleboo was asking about getting a card with no magstripe, so I assume he's OK with that

Re: ATM Skimmers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can easily demagnetise it, with even a kitchen magnet [0]. [0] http://lifehacker.com/5780617/how-to-prevent-yourself-from-o...

Yes And then your card is useless when in a place that only reads the stripe (like, that uses Square)

The European competitor to Square uses the chip. And I already suggested to keep a separate magstrip card for traveling to less developed countries.
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