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Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Who cares about % of piracy? The only value that matters is the absolute number of sales, not what the non-customers did or didn't do with that game. DRM hurts sales of many products. If one more extra customer pays for your movie because the DRM-free service is better, then it outweighs a billion of freeloaders.

The percentage of piracy demonstrates that there is a demand for the product but the consumers don't want to pay for it. World of Goo is the example I used because it's a "perfect" product under the check list provided in the article: great product (90/100) affordable ($20 for a game that takes >10 hours to complete) same price in all markets, unrestricted, same availability everywhere.

The elephant in the room is, of that 80% of piraters, what percentage of them were actual potential customers at the $20 price, and what percentage had no interest in the game at that price. If 0% of the piraters were really customers, then you lost nothing through pirating and sold to the entirety of your actual customer base, which just happens to be only 20% of all the people who have your product. If 100% of the piraters were customers, then you have indeed lost out on most of your potential revenue. Of course neither of us can say what that percentage really is, I think probably very close to 0% and I expect you think much closer to 100%.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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“It's also not free.” Sure, but the creators also don’t receive any compensation from you. It’s like jumping the turnstile at a subway station, figuring that because you bought NewBalance sneakers you're already paying the government for providing public transport. That said, if I could pay, say $100 a month for ‘all you can eat’ pirating (providing that money would go to the studios and artists) I’d love to.

I think his point was that people aren't pirating purely because it is free, but because the experience is superior in every way measurable, even to the point that people will pay for pirating. User experience counts. You'd thought companies like Apple and Google had taught us that by now.

Indeed. Even in the UK were we have the brilliant BBC iPlayer, downloading from other places is still a better experience. Quality and speed win out.

Of course, the BBC gets it funding from a licence fee, so it kinda doesn't matter (I pay the licence fee there for I have already paid up, so what does it matter how I see it?) apart from the fact that the BBC cant include a non BBC download in its figures.

I think that to be honest the experience point is a red herring. Its really about it being free. My position here is that in show or movie advertising, or product placement, is the best way to go. That way we get the show for free, and the producers get their advertising money.

If I in the UK was able to go to, say, HBO in the US and download a show for free, I would. Even if that meant a special international free version that was non HD and contained adverts in the middle, or even product placement. But I cant, so I would go for other sources.

This will only settle down when they release shows for free at the point of watching, and find other ways to make their money.

Capitalists: this is supply and demand. Its very basic and the fact that so many huge businesses and politicians seem to have forgotten the most basic law of economics is frankly contemptible and offensive to any one with half a function brain. Worse still is the government interference that seems to want to use law to criminalise citizens who are obeying the laws of supply and demand, while offering a protection racket to the very organisation who should be primarily guided by it, but chose to ignore it. This, IMHO, is a vile and disgusting abuse of law, society and government. Its up to the business to adapt, not have their old control freak behaviour endorsed and protected by government, who's election funding depends on such organisations.

And BTW, this betrays the biggest flaw in US democracy, which has become little more than those with money get to buy the government and dictate legislation. The military industrial lot paid for Bush and we get war. The media pay for Obama and we get draconian protection rackets.

Oppps, again, longer than I intended......

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Pirating has become a much higher quality entertainment experience than any other. The pace of development is insane, and the things you can do with pirated content these days are, in a word, wonderful. Let's say I pirated a show called Fest of Kings. The hour Fest of Kings aired, it would already be on my home media server. It would have downloaded at about 6MB/second (that's MegaBytes) over a secure SSL connection…

I torrented all the DvD's I own a few of months ago, because they are too much hassle to watch compared to a simple .avi file in my neatly ordered media folders. There is no place in my life for physical media anymore, it just doesn't fit. The solution, for me, is to integrate movies and series into Steam. When it airs, it becomes downloadable through Steam. I probably can start watching about 5 minutes after everyon…

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Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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I think it's time for some people to admit that when it comes to certain things, they have become addicts. This is not a condemnation. I was there with Forbrydelsen III (which at least was never going to be shown in the US as-is, and DK had the sense to open the stream worldwide due to ex-pat outrage, and which I not only watched streaming in Danish without subtitles but then also downloaded later when fansubs were a…

Fansubs of Danish programming? Now I've heard that as well!

Why the surprise? Many danish movies and TV programs have seen pretty huge international success.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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post #28

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> If there was a legitimate content source that did all this well, and gave me the content I wanted when I wanted it (right when it airs), I would be paying for it. I won't be available for everyone and for a fair price. So piracy will still exist.

But not because of technical reasons. See: Steam.

Mostly because of copyright holders. Even with steam you can't buy many games thanks to publishers having exclusive deals with local distributors. It's even worse with tv/movies. Then there are different laws around the globe, but I guess that just takes some effort to solve.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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post #47

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Who cares about % of piracy? The only value that matters is the absolute number of sales, not what the non-customers did or didn't do with that game. DRM hurts sales of many products. If one more extra customer pays for your movie because the DRM-free service is better, then it outweighs a billion of freeloaders.

DRM hurts sales of many products For the few who consider DRM to be a moral issue or to those who use DRM as an excuse to pirate harder or distribute - but in reality, unobtrusive levels of DRM like those used for DVDs prevent the masses from making near free copies of movies to distribute to friends and relatives.

As an anecdote of how DRM hurts sales of DVD's - many of my friends now have 2-5 year old kids.

All of them bought a bunch of kid movie DVDs legally. All of them don't buy legal DVDs anymore as they are a bad quality product compared to downloaded movies:

1) The original discs get scratched quickly and they don't know how to back them up (as they are allowed by law but disallowed by DRM) - if the kids ask to "repair the movie" it is simpler for them to download & burn a fresh copy of the movie they bought, rather than try to break the DRM (again, breaking the DRM is explicitly legal here).

2) The original DVD's contain unskippable ads before the movie. It's defective by design - especially if you want to limit your kids exposure to that brainwashing. Pirated DVDs provide a better viewing experience.

So, a lot of people who would be perfectly willing to pay $$$ for many, many movies got hurt by the substandard product. If the content providers had legally sold the 'piratebay-style' DVDs at the same price, they would get their money.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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post #28

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> If there was a legitimate content source that did all this well, and gave me the content I wanted when I wanted it (right when it airs), I would be paying for it. I won't be available for everyone and for a fair price. So piracy will still exist.

fair price Where "fair price" is an amount that's so low as to be effectively free or at most substantially lower than it costs content creators to produce it.

In many cases yes. That's why content owners won't sell for such price and piracy will continue.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Pirating has become a much higher quality entertainment experience than any other. The pace of development is insane, and the things you can do with pirated content these days are, in a word, wonderful. Let's say I pirated a show called Fest of Kings. The hour Fest of Kings aired, it would already be on my home media server. It would have downloaded at about 6MB/second (that's MegaBytes) over a secure SSL connection…

This is very true. The current experience of legal tv content delivery is terrible. It is stuck trying to squeeze the customer for every dollar possible, while not delivering the service that people really want.

The music industry is finally starting to get it, even if they are being dragged kicking and screaming by Rdio, Spotify, iTunes, etc. But still, these are all great services that are giving customers what they want when they want it. I just hope people like Netflix, Hulu and now Vdio will do the same thing for movie and TV content.

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Fansubs of Danish programming? Now I've heard that as well!

Forbrydelsen was a worldwide phenomenon. Surprised you never heard of it. AMC in the US re-did it (badly) as The Killing.

Considering I am Danish, it would incredibly surprising if I had never heard of it. Personally, I am not a big fan of it, it was just a bunch of mumbling going on. I needed subtitles too!

Re: I pirated Game of Thrones season premiere

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fansubs of Danish programming? Now I've heard that as well!

Why the surprise? Many danish movies and TV programs have seen pretty huge international success.

I do apologise, I was trying sarcasm. Danish programmes are usually pretty hard to come by online. Things have changed, obviously, but I still miss some of our older programming, which are still difficult to obtain.
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