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Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

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Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

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If bitcoin price is to crash, I'll be the first one buying. Which probably means that the price is not speculative. Speculative like "I hoard" but not like "Ponzi".

If bitcoin price is to crash, I'll be the first one buying. I get the impression plenty of people might buy if the price dropped to $35 or $30. My question is: would you then sell if the price dropped a further $5 or $10?

Nope. Already sold my initial investment!

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If bitcoin price is to crash, I'll be the first one buying. Which probably means that the price is not speculative. Speculative like "I hoard" but not like "Ponzi".

That's exactly why I don't foresee an immense crash unless several large holders cash out all at once. There's no doubt tons of people chomping at the bit for the price to drop any significant amount.

I hope those large holders are not so stupid to drop a large chunk at the market at once.

I will definitely buy in this case, tho.

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

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I only see Bank of America options for deposits to Bitfloor. That entails filling out a deposit slip to Bitfloor's account at a local branch. UPDATE: PEBCAK. That's for the default "cash" tab in the UI. There are also "wire" and "CapitalOne 360 P2P" tabs. Thanks for the tip!

Glad I could help you out!

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

#74

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Or until people realise that many around them already have BTC or ready to accept it as payment. Then who needs dollars?

I think you seriously underestimate the demand and use of dollars.

I not talking about demand in dollars today. I'm talking about future demand in dollars by those who get understand Bitcoin.

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

#75
I can't help but think of all the people (in the US) who will owe back taxes for 2013 for unreported foreign currency exchange gain...or (in the event Bitcoin crashes again) all the people who won't realize that they have foreign currency exchange losses that could reduce their other taxable income...

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

#76

There have been some strong signs of an inflection point in the last couple of weeks. The FinCEN guidance was a major step forward for Bitcoin, allowing companies to start taking Bitcoin as a serious option. For example, see this announcement today, from a company that processes payments for local governments. They plan to offer bitcoin acceptance to those governments for all sorts of online payments. You might soon…

You're not paying your taxes in bitcoin. You're paying an amount equal to your taxes, plus transaction fees, to the processor, who then converts your payment into the local currency and remits it to the government.

It's a subtle but important difference, because the use of non-local currencies in a transaction can trigger currency exchange gain/loss reporting requirements (in the US, at least).

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

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This will be a fun ride until governments ban it.

That's not how governments work. Governments prefer to tax things over banning them where possible (excluding activities with significant moral connotations, which are subject to different considerations).

This will be a fun ride until governments start auditing people for not reporting their bitcoin-denominated income.

Governments, especially governments with many international residents and companies, have long since passed foreign currency laws that require taxpayers to convert foreign currency transactions into the local currency for purposes of reporting income. Failure to report your bitcoin-denominated income can mean that the local tax authority (i.e., the IRS) has until the end of time to go after you for back taxes, penalties and interest, and even criminal sanctions (depending on the amount of underreporting).

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

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its all fun and games until people really start cashing out.

Or until people realise that many around them already have BTC or ready to accept it as payment. Then who needs dollars?

Anyone who wants to pay their taxes...unless they enjoy wasting money on currency conversion fees which frequently exceed 5-10% of the amount converted.

Governments already know how to deal with foreign currencies: they simply make you convert your foreign-currency-denominated income into the local currency for purposes of calculating taxable income.

Re: Bitcoin Now Worth $1B

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I find bitcoin fascinating, but everyone who's bullish on it should understand the fundamental issue with its price stability, as pointed out by libertarian GMU economist Tyler Cowen (among others, presumably):

> It is a privately created fiat currency, bundled together with an anonymity scheme for transactions. The anonymity scheme means there is some reason to grant one-time seigniorage to the original currency issuers. Eventually the anonymity scheme, in some form or another, will be available without the fiat currency. At that point, or more likely before then, the fiat currency will fall to near-zero in value. Hold it at your own risk. The original issuers will have kept some of their initial gains.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/04/the...

Essentially, the value of a bitcoin is set by the value of all worldwide transactions desired which utilize bitcoin's advantages (anonymity, security from government intervention, etc) divided by the total number of bitcoins, which is capped. However, there is nothing to stop someone from starting a competitor (perhaps with some slight improvement) which duplicates all of bitcoin's functionality and essentially inflates away bitcoin's value. In fact, it might not be crazy to suppose governments would do this on purpose.

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