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Google simply hasn't been around long enough to earn the kind of credibility that Bell Labs and Xerox PARC had.
So when is the last time that PARC or Bell Labs produced anything of note? Seriously. 15 or 20 years? You can only rest on laurels for so long before they dry up and blow away. Google meanwhile is an incredible company. Are you saying you know better than Hinton where the real progress is being made?
Sigh. I don't know whether I'm alone in being saddened that many of the excellent thinkers of our time, who once might have spent their lives probing the the very limits of our comprehension in their field, now end up comfortably turning their minds to the services of (in the long term) rather short sighted commercial ends. I can imagine that this sentiment is probably against the prevailing HN mood, but I've been th…
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http://research.google.com/pubs/ArtificialIntelligenceandMac...
Thanks, I didn't know about that. But you'll probably agree that it's unimpressive: 270 publications (and that appears to be all-time, going back 10 years) for a team of 515 researchers. In academia, you'd expect several per year per researcher.
Source: some bozos count my papers every couple of years and write an evaluation which displays complete ignorance of my field.
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Google simply hasn't been around long enough to earn the kind of credibility that Bell Labs and Xerox PARC had.
So when is the last time that PARC or Bell Labs produced anything of note? Seriously. 15 or 20 years? You can only rest on laurels for so long before they dry up and blow away. Google meanwhile is an incredible company. Are you saying you know better than Hinton where the real progress is being made?
Sigh. I don't know whether I'm alone in being saddened that many of the excellent thinkers of our time, who once might have spent their lives probing the the very limits of our comprehension in their field, now end up comfortably turning their minds to the services of (in the long term) rather short sighted commercial ends. I can imagine that this sentiment is probably against the prevailing HN mood, but I've been th…
So is Google now more appealing to academics than academia?
In a way, yes. Research in industry has the advantage that you don't have to "waste" your time applying for grants in order to fund your own research group. A lot of people seem to live in an illusion that professors actually spend most of their time doing research, they are the managers of research groups more than anything else and growing those research groups is hard work and takes up close to all of your time (t…
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Google simply hasn't been around long enough to earn the kind of credibility that Bell Labs and Xerox PARC had.
So when is the last time that PARC or Bell Labs produced anything of note? Seriously. 15 or 20 years? You can only rest on laurels for so long before they dry up and blow away. Google meanwhile is an incredible company. Are you saying you know better than Hinton where the real progress is being made?
For example STEPS a full modern computing environment in 20KLOC from the metal up using DSLs and a reimagining of what an OS and the Web means.
Some more Info here: "STEPS 2011 Progress Report (personal computing in 20kLOC)" http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4436
"Alan Kay: How Simply and Understandably Could The "Personal Computing Experience" Be Programmed?" http://vimeo.com/10260548
"Programming and Scaling" http://www.tele-task.de/archive/lecture/overview/5819/
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I think this is unfair to at least Microsoft Research, which as far as I know has outpublished Google by a wide margin. (Full disclosure - I'm a contractor working on F#-related stuff at MSR)
As I am not a contractor or affiliated with MSR in any way, I can back you up. In my field MSR is light years ahead of Google when it comes to research impact. Google has been gaining a stronger presence and they are generally seen as more innovative. But for those of my colleagues that want an industry research job, MSR and Google are both very attractive, the old stable one and the new kid in town.
Sigh. I don't know whether I'm alone in being saddened that many of the excellent thinkers of our time, who once might have spent their lives probing the the very limits of our comprehension in their field, now end up comfortably turning their minds to the services of (in the long term) rather short sighted commercial ends. I can imagine that this sentiment is probably against the prevailing HN mood, but I've been th…
The common lament about Google being just a place that optimizes ad clicks is overused, and lazy thinking. I don't even think it's a conclusion that's the result of actual thought anymore, just reverb. Google is a big company. It would not even be worth it or effective to have every single engineer dedicated to this ad click business. There's a team for that, and there are lots of other teams, for lots of other inter…
This is exciting for Hinton I'm sure, but also somewhat worrying for broader community. Hinton has always been very open with his research: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/24/science/scientists-see-adv... One of the most striking aspects of the research led by Dr. Hinton is that it has taken place largely without the patent restrictions and bitter infighting over intellectual property that characterize high-technology…
http://www.google.com/patents/licensing/index.html
Though Google seem to think you can still make money despite/because of sharing, through other means than patent licencing.