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Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

jcomis wrote: post #70
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good question that I'd like to see answered. It seems to me that mobile-first is used as a buzzword here. Unless they are literally inventing features for the mobile layout and then finding a way to make them work on desktop -- for example if the navigation bar accordion thing was there before the full desktop navigation bar.

Not sure what you mean by this. Mobile first just means everything is designed starting from a mobile view. It's not a "feature" like some sort UI item, it's a style of design thinking with the goal of ensuring the mobile context is absolutely as simple as it can be. It's not a buzzword since this is how they approached this version.

So what specifically was designed with a mobile view first in Bootstrap 3? I'm not being argumentative, I just want to know.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by djbender »

mgkimsal wrote: post #69
terrellm wrote: post #68

The Responsive Utilities section is interesting with new classes such as .visible-phone and .hidden-phone (also tablet and desktop) but I find in my app that my customers want to see all of the columns even if it means a little bit of scrolling. Zurb takes an interesting approach with their responsive tables ( http://www.zurb.com/playground/responsive-tables ).

bootstrap 2 (and 1 IIRC) have .visible-/.hidden- classes already - is there something new?

yeah those classes are not new.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by alexvr »

dictum wrote: post #66
alexvr wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone is a HTML/CSS hacker. It's a really valuable front-end framework. My app wouldn't look nearly as professional without it.

It's OK for the first iterations, but if you really care about your product, you should hire a HTML/CSS hacker.

Yeah, but I'm a broke high school senior (1-man team), so I'm sort of forced to take advantage of free stuff like Bootstrap and the free year of Amazon EC2.

Bootstrap is definitely useful if you're just tinkering - it makes a minimum viable product look sort of legit ;)

But I would certainly invest in specialized developers to make a lighter-weight, in-house UI if I were really serious about a website.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by jcomis »

alexvr wrote: post #31

Not sure if I like this at all. I think they need to call it Bootstrap 3: flat and fat! It just seems like a huge step back to me. It's not even an elegant "flat" design; it's like they scrapped everything and decided to make all classes (even buttons for God's sake) DIVs of different colors. The new navbar, for example, is literally a gray DIV with rounded edges. I use Bootstrap on my web app because I care about de…

>I care about design, but I don't care so much about learning fancy CSS

might just be me, but I don't think you care too much about design if you rely on standard bootstrap for style. Not that I don't understand the appeal of having something that looks good out of the box.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by alexvr »

crisnoble wrote: post #57
alexvr wrote: post #31

Not sure if I like this at all. I think they need to call it Bootstrap 3: flat and fat! It just seems like a huge step back to me. It's not even an elegant "flat" design; it's like they scrapped everything and decided to make all classes (even buttons for God's sake) DIVs of different colors. The new navbar, for example, is literally a gray DIV with rounded edges. I use Bootstrap on my web app because I care about de…

>I can make flat DIVs myself, thank you very much. What about the scaffolding, the grid system and sane typographic rhythm? What about the glyphicons and out of the box mobile awesomeness? Bootstrap is more than 3D buttons and box shadows, perhaps they are moving away from that to focus on the utilities that make the framework great, and not for the shiny buttons.

You're right, but I never use the grid stuff anyway; I only want to invest time in learning about something if it's not framework/vendor-locked, so to speak, so I'd rather just use the elements and do the scaffolding myself.

Glyphicons are probably my favorite part, though.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by alexvr »

jcomis wrote: post #74
alexvr wrote: post #31

Not sure if I like this at all. I think they need to call it Bootstrap 3: flat and fat! It just seems like a huge step back to me. It's not even an elegant "flat" design; it's like they scrapped everything and decided to make all classes (even buttons for God's sake) DIVs of different colors. The new navbar, for example, is literally a gray DIV with rounded edges. I use Bootstrap on my web app because I care about de…

>I care about design, but I don't care so much about learning fancy CSS might just be me, but I don't think you care too much about design if you rely on standard bootstrap for style. Not that I don't understand the appeal of having something that looks good out of the box.

Well, I suppose I'm a lazy aesthete.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by jcomis »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #71
jcomis wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what you mean by this. Mobile first just means everything is designed starting from a mobile view. It's not a "feature" like some sort UI item, it's a style of design thinking with the goal of ensuring the mobile context is absolutely as simple as it can be. It's not a buzzword since this is how they approached this version.

So what specifically was designed with a mobile view first in Bootstrap 3? I'm not being argumentative, I just want to know.

Just check out the css, everything starts with the 480 media query and builds on top of that. CSS is added to the base mobile CSS (which is incredibly simple) to work as the width goes up. Check v2, it's (almost) completely the other way around. Again, it's not a specific thing, it's everything.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by notdan »

Kudos wrote: post #35
alexvr wrote: post #31

Not sure if I like this at all. I think they need to call it Bootstrap 3: flat and fat! It just seems like a huge step back to me. It's not even an elegant "flat" design; it's like they scrapped everything and decided to make all classes (even buttons for God's sake) DIVs of different colors. The new navbar, for example, is literally a gray DIV with rounded edges. I use Bootstrap on my web app because I care about de…

The more people stop using Bootstrap as a complete design the happier I will be.

Would you rather see something that looks like these? Because this is what you would get instead: http://www.gnu.org/ http://gcc.gnu.org/ http://clang.llvm.org/

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by welder »

hannibalhorn wrote: post #24

If anyone is looking for a basic summary of "What's new", the best I found was their blog post about plans for v3: http://blog.getbootstrap.com/2012/12/10/bootstrap-3-plans/

Here's the most comprehensive list of changes I've found. The pull request for Bootstrap 3 on github:

https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/pull/6342

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by terrellm »

mgkimsal wrote: post #69
terrellm wrote: post #68

The Responsive Utilities section is interesting with new classes such as .visible-phone and .hidden-phone (also tablet and desktop) but I find in my app that my customers want to see all of the columns even if it means a little bit of scrolling. Zurb takes an interesting approach with their responsive tables ( http://www.zurb.com/playground/responsive-tables ).

bootstrap 2 (and 1 IIRC) have .visible-/.hidden- classes already - is there something new?

You are right... my mistake. I was looking on a different page of the old bootstrap site.
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