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Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by sachingulaya »

zalew wrote: post #67
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #39

Fscking Tapatalk. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever install your app, even if it scratches my back. Ever; just because of your incessant, annoying spam on every god damn forum I ever go to. Give me a global opt-out. I can't wait to get over this hard-on for native apps. ABC, you too, for god's sake, I clicked on a random news story, I don't need your app.

> just because of your incessant, annoying spam on every god damn sent from my iphone. sent from my ipad. yeah, because I care what device you sent me an email from. sent from my desktop computer using firefox.

Many people do care. It gives context to short emails or emails with errors.

Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by eertami »

zalew wrote: post #67
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #39

Fscking Tapatalk. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever install your app, even if it scratches my back. Ever; just because of your incessant, annoying spam on every god damn forum I ever go to. Give me a global opt-out. I can't wait to get over this hard-on for native apps. ABC, you too, for god's sake, I clicked on a random news story, I don't need your app.

> just because of your incessant, annoying spam on every god damn sent from my iphone. sent from my ipad. yeah, because I care what device you sent me an email from. sent from my desktop computer using firefox.

For the longest time I honestly thought many iPhone users were just complete tools until I found out it was actually a default.

Re: I don't want to download your app

#73

Post by xbryanx »

sachingulaya wrote: post #71
zalew wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just because of your incessant, annoying spam on every god damn sent from my iphone. sent from my ipad. yeah, because I care what device you sent me an email from. sent from my desktop computer using firefox.

Many people do care. It gives context to short emails or emails with errors.

Sending an email from a tablet or phone isn't an excuse for errors and typos.

Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

olefoo wrote: post #64

My theory is that organizational politics are what's driving many media companies to push their 'app' over their website. Building native apps means that new people with new training need to be hired, a new team with a new manager needs to be formed. And once the budget is there for the new shiny; it must be spent, to do otherwise would be wasteful! Never underestimate the power of a bureaucracy to make things more c…

Yes, a hundred times, yes. I've watched a company build a Flex app two years ago. "Why not use Web tech". Then they (several years late) decided they needed to jump on the iOS bandwagon (this, at the point that their target market was surely starting to tip to Android majority), and within the last 4 months have started working on a web app to get Android, iOS and Windows 8. So, so, so much duplicated effort. I've watched a very similar pattern play out at a local startup company as well. Even more painfully they designed their own awkward middle-layer to try to abstract out differences between iOS and Android.

The problem is with higher-ups that are on the backside of trends but also think it needs to be a priority to do it soon... Okay.

Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by arn »

notatoad wrote: post #48
arn wrote: post #26

I don't think the easy answer is "all such things suck". You spend the time and money developing an app, and you want your visitors to know about the app. The prime candidates are those who visit your site on that device. So, the targeting is right, but the execution is what typically sucks. From my own personal experience, if I'm visiting a specific article on the site, my immediate interest is getting the informati…

> You spend the time and money developing an app, and you want your visitors to know about the app The problem is that you're thinking about what you want, not what your users want. Your users want to view whatever content they came to your webpage to view. stop getting in the way of that with your wants. the answer really is that all such things suck, your position just seems to be that you don't care how much they…

Here you are just projecting your own underinfomed feelings about it on everyone else.

Is there no situation where you see an app as being superior to the website?

For AppShopper.com, yes the app is the superior experience to the mobile web. There were overwhelming requests for an app. We made the app to serve our users. Our goals and user goals are not always mutually exclusive.

Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by arn »

dpe82 wrote: post #35
arn wrote: post #26

I don't think the easy answer is "all such things suck". You spend the time and money developing an app, and you want your visitors to know about the app. The prime candidates are those who visit your site on that device. So, the targeting is right, but the execution is what typically sucks. From my own personal experience, if I'm visiting a specific article on the site, my immediate interest is getting the informati…

> You spend the time and money developing an app, and you want your visitors to know about the app These popovers/nags/redirects are typically annoying because the apps do little to nothing to add to the content or user experience. Just because the company spent time and money developing them doesn't make them useful. Why burden users with the company's poor decision?

There is no scenario where a mobile app could be superior to the web app?

Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by jeffool »

olefoo wrote: post #64

My theory is that organizational politics are what's driving many media companies to push their 'app' over their website. Building native apps means that new people with new training need to be hired, a new team with a new manager needs to be formed. And once the budget is there for the new shiny; it must be spent, to do otherwise would be wasteful! Never underestimate the power of a bureaucracy to make things more c…

Man that's so painful to see. I imagine most here on HN are "ahead of the curve", but I envy those who work in an environment where that's more common. I worked at a news station and when we finally opened a Facebook page my boss couldn't understand when I asked why we were put entire stories on Facebook, rather than just linking and using Facebook login or the likes.

"Well the consultants recommend this way."

Of course it changed eventually, but man it's weird to see. Of course, the we often joked that a consultant's job was to say do B while we were doing A, then come back in six months and ask why we were doing B? A was obviously the way to go!

Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by teamonkey »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #39

Fscking Tapatalk. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever install your app, even if it scratches my back. Ever; just because of your incessant, annoying spam on every god damn forum I ever go to. Give me a global opt-out. I can't wait to get over this hard-on for native apps. ABC, you too, for god's sake, I clicked on a random news story, I don't need your app.

Tapatalk's actually pretty good. The UI is far superior to most old PHPBB and vBulletin forums and it's well worth the small one-off purchase price if you visit these types of forums regularly.

I wish news.yc had Tapatalk support.

Re: I don't want to download your app

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Post by twistedpair »

cryptoz wrote: post #21
mzarate06 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the frustration w/the manner in which some mobile apps are advertised, but wrt this statement in particular ... They clearly have absolutely no interest in serving me content or helping me do what I want to do ... coming from the site owner side of things, I'll offer a friendly counter argument (which has been rephrased in light of down votes): site owners are interested in serving you content, or helpin…

Oh definitely. The mobile app is almost always a better experience than using the site. But that's not the point. The point is that I'm on my phone with limited time on a slow internet connection, I have requested content from a site and that site has chosen to not show me the content that was expected, but instead display an advertisement. This is unacceptable to me, and rather than deal with it I usually just leave…

Let's say you're walking along and you want to find an XYZ franchise (and don't use Google/X Maps)? You could visit XYZ's site and get a simplified mobile interface, tap in your zip and go. Or, like the aforementioned sites, you could find their app in the app store/market. Wait for it to download and install (hope you're on 3G). Launch the app. Wait while it gets a GPS fix and shows you banners, and then finally find a location.

I've experienced this a number of times. The UX is more than just the App. It is how people get your app and more.

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