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AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

carefree-bob wrote: post #65
watwut wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

War did not randomly came. America intentionally caused it. And has lawless goverment and unaccountable tech industry making it bad place for data.

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> You don't see the EU causing a war with Russia?

Putin is launching and provoking wars, not the EU.

> you will probably still blame America

No, we would blame Putin, because he's the blameworthy party.

As for Iran, Trump (and Trump voters by extension) is the blameworthy party. I don't even think any other R would have been dumb enough to go at Iran like this.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by cmiles8 »

This interview with an AWS leader isn’t aging well, from CBS Sunday morning:

Pogue asked, "I don't mean to give anyone ideas, but let's say I figured out that one of these unmarked buildings was an AWS data center, and I blew it up. Are you saying that it's so backed up and redundant that you probably wouldn't notice?" Wood replied, "Yeah, you wouldn't notice. I mean, we might be a bit upset, but you wouldn't notice!"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cloud-computing-loudoun-county-...

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by chasd00 »

rbanffy wrote: post #22
Art9681 wrote: post #18

No disaster recovery plan? No offsite backups? Someone failed to applied the most basic principles that have existed for decades.

The more dramatic contingency you have to plan for, the more expensive the plan gets. Earlier this week I mentioned that if we lose enough data centres to bring our operation down, the first items in the to-do list becomes securing weapons, vehicles and fuel.

> to-do list becomes securing weapons, vehicles and fuel.

I toured a datacenter once back in the early 2000s and they showed me 30 days of generator fuel storage. When i asked them why 30 days and not 35 they replied "we're such a major customer of both electricity and fuel that if we don't get electricity or fuel for 30 days there's way bigger problems than your website not being online" hah.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by jackb4040 »

birdatlaw wrote: post #69
r_lee wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the government requirements requires me to store data only in UAE!

turns out reading comprehension skills have still not gotten better in the future

In the future, some companies begin to store their data on-premises away from big centralized datacenters. But many companies do not, due to costs and the general friction of changing how things are done.

If OP tells me the name of his company I can hop in my time machine and tell him how it plays out.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by firesteelrain »

nixass wrote: post #56
Art9681 wrote: post #18

No disaster recovery plan? No offsite backups? Someone failed to applied the most basic principles that have existed for decades.

Offsite to.. where? Sea? Data residency in Gulf states is very strict and basically nothing is leaving the countries

Typically 300 miles geographically but could be hard in some Gulf States

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by ericpruitt »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #24
dhx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me-south-1 (Bahrain), all 3 data centres providing the redundancy were blown up by Iran.[1] The redundancy was localised to small geographic area and a single government--something customers of AWS were hopefully aware of when they entrusted AWS with their data. It's always buyer beware for any claims of availability. Engineers completing a FMECA[2] will (or should) always state upfront what type of failure modes…

As far as I know, the attacks happened at different times. If Amazon knew that they had lost some data redundancy, shouldn’t they have been quickly mirroring that out of the region?

That would be a legal nightmare. They don't necessarily know what customers' data residency requirements are.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by abeyer »

nixass wrote: post #56
Art9681 wrote: post #18

No disaster recovery plan? No offsite backups? Someone failed to applied the most basic principles that have existed for decades.

Offsite to.. where? Sea? Data residency in Gulf states is very strict and basically nothing is leaving the countries

A datacenter not owned/run by a major US or Israeli company seems like it might be a good first step.

Re: AWS says it can't restore some data from mideast facilities struck by Iran

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Post by carefree-bob »

drnick1 wrote: post #72
shevy-java wrote: post #32

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This is not exactly a nuanced view of the conflict, and in either case, the fact that you don't like that someone on the other side of the world is chanting death to America doesn't give you a bonus card for a free attack.

Seriously, it's like people, when deciding whether to launch a war or not, are not thinking "how will the other side react and will this conflict benefit me" but instead they are only thinking "does this nation deserve to get hit".

Well, news flash, your moral outrage does not translate into you not suffering more than your opponent during a conflict. It's a completely separate issue, and a personal issue between you and your priest or rabbi. When it comes to starting wars, you have to look at military capabilities and long term outcomes, not "does this nation deserve to be attacked".

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