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Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't the government have incentive to intervene to end a market inefficiency like the one you described?

Because the goal of government policy is to help consumers, thats why.

No, it is to help all citizens. Even those who are not a party to a particular market.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

#72

God I would love to see Sam Altman behind bars for cornering the DRAM silicon market. Even though there were other factors, I uniquely place him as the destroyer of home computing this decade!

It's kind of crazy how nothing happened with that. That was blatant.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #8

AI is a very competitive market where consumers are getting the product for much less than it costs. This does not seem like an area where the government needs to butt in. Attention would be better spent on long list of other poorly behaved companies: cable ISP monopolies, health insurance companies, home insurance companies, etc.

That is only one aspect of Ai. There are a whole bunch of people who are addicted to the Ai companions. Reminds me of Big Sugar, who sponsored junk science and lobbied politicians, making salt and fat the bad guts, knowing sugar is likely worse... managing to still largely fly under the radar unlike Big Tobacco/Oil.

My hope is that we start treating Big Ai like Big Social, but before they and their dark patterns have become ubiquitous

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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Source: https://x.com/linamkhan/status/2099204390548639960 (seems like a single post, so you don't need to log in and see replies) I can't tell if Khan is being realistic when she says laws against “unfair or deceptive [acts]” or “unfair methods of competition” apply to AI labs. Her 2-sentence justifications aren't enough to convince me. But maybe it's sufficient for state AG's who want to start investigations.

> I can't tell if Khan is being realistic when she says laws against “unfair or deceptive [acts]” or “unfair methods of competition” apply to AI labs. Her 2-sentence justifications aren't enough to convince me.

As I read it, her whole point is that those laws apply to everyone, including AI Labs.

She isn't saying AI Labs are in violation of those laws (though she is implying they should be scrutinized for possibly being so), she's just saying that if they do violate those laws... well, those laws are already on the books and AI Labs aren't special unicorns for which existing laws somehow don't apply.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #6

Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

Aaron Swartz was not charged for violating IP either.

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #47
post #4

It won’t happen, but if it did the CEOs have no one but themselves to blame. They’re hyping up their products as being able to destroy the human race then are somehow surprised at the level of anti-AI sentiment out there in the world.

If the nuclear power or life sciences people were putting out press releases saying "our product may kill us all", they'd be dragged into endless Congressional inquiries.

Wasnt the Oppenheimer story basically that?

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we could do all of them, but they all seem to be up to date on their tithe. AI has a somewhat mixed record of tribute.

Which is why High IQ President specifically responded to Amodei.

There's a hard test containing animal pictures, if you ace it you can say anything you want

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #6

Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

The obligatory:

“The rain falls upon the just

And also on the unjust fellas

But mostly it falls upon the just

Cause the unjust have

the just’s umbrellas.”

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's transformative . Not aimed at exact reproduction, so not in the scope of copyright law.

They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers. Their use of the BitTorrent protocol to acquire these files would not have been transformative.

> They participated in uploading the files as part of the downloading the torrent from other peers.

Did they?

Are you sure?

Re: Ex-FTC boss Khan: break out the handcuffs for AI CEOs, citing 1934 precedent

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post #6

Aaron Swartz was facing up to 35 years for wire fraud and hacking for swiping some JSTOR documents, and the DOJ has done nothing against the AI companies and their IP violating antics.

Because that's not what IP law is for. IP law was always corporate rent-seeking. None of those arguments about fairly compensating people for their creations or preserving the profit motive were ever being made in good faith. The point was always to force you to pay for something that would be free under natural laws. And I do mean you specifically, because the act of copying information freely was always going to be…

It's not the IP law alone that's the problem, it's the way the legislative and justice systems work. There will always be a law and an interpretation that favor people who can afford to buy them at the cost of those who can't.
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