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Moonshot serves Claude instead of Kimi and collects exchanges for model training

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Re: Moonshot serves Claude instead of Kimi and collects exchanges for model training

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Post by Shank »

AlanYx wrote: post #30
Shank wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Moonshot is buying accounts and using those rather than the API, wouldn't they set the "no training on my data" flag in the settings so as to go undetected for longer? If so, we get back to the question of why would Anthropic be retaining the exchanges? I would like to briefly draw your attention to this part of the Terms of Service [0]: > We may use Materials to provide, maintain, and improve the Services and t…

I'm aware of that language in the terms, but I think most of us were under the (likely mistaken) impression that the safety review flagging focused on harmful content and safety (e.g., individuals discussing threatened real-world violence), not "safety" of Anthropic's intellectual property. And that it would likely result in retention of a handful of a customer's interactions, not all of them. If the criteria for ret…

> While ZDR is available, it's not available to all types of customers and is priced at a higher tier.

This doesn’t match my experience with their API, they turned it on with some paperwork but it wasn’t fundamentally an issue of price. It’s the same API pricing either way.

Re: Moonshot serves Claude instead of Kimi and collects exchanges for model training

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Post by villish »

OutOfHere wrote: post #70
villish wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these proxy services create thousands of new accounts using false identities, fake or stolen credit cards, and stolen API keys. They will often use stolen API credentials belonging to legitimate companies or individuals to give unauthorized entities access to US frontier models.

It is a direct result of restricting access to these models. Access to them should never have been restricted. The restriction leaves users with no choice but to use unusual means to obtain access. We have completely forgotten what free trade means and why it is optimal, and we will pay the price for it.

Unusual means? It’s illegal to steal accounts and credit cards. Completely sanctioned by PRC. No other country can compete since they must follow the law, hence mistral not even trying anymore.

Re: Moonshot serves Claude instead of Kimi and collects exchanges for model training

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Post by DonsDiscountGas »

monneyboi wrote: post #27

I can't be the only one that is getting tired of this. Framing learning from observation as somehow bad. Something literally everybody is doing, model and human alike. It's the process this whole industry is built on. Pretending that this is bad because the other people are also doing what you have been doing, is hypocritical and childish. Meanwhile I'm sitting here looking at some "Flibbertigittering" spinner like s…

This is the first I'm hearing of a model provider just providing a different model without telling you. Anthropic came close (and with a much better justification) but they disclosed their intention at least.

Re: Moonshot serves Claude instead of Kimi and collects exchanges for model training

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Post by gos9 »

nacs wrote: post #5

Claude/OpenAI etc have taken and continue to take literally all data from the internet, printed books, image, audio, and video humans have created in all of existence without permission to train their models. But when same AI company gets "distilled" or it's own AI-generated content used to train other models, it's suddenly immoral or illegal?

Yep. What’s confusing?
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