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Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by wongarsu »

gnramires wrote: post #10
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

Zuse is probably the most under-appreciated thinker of the 20th century. Everybody's heard of Claude Shannon, von Neumann, Feynman, and all the rest of 'em, but Zuse's enormous contributions have received rather little attention. To summarize a couple of the highlights: In 1936 Germany, Konrad Zuse began developing the Z1, a mechanical calculating machine programmed via perforated 35mm film. By 1937, he had broadened…

> to surmise that our universe is computable by a deterministic computer program Please an expert chime in to complement, but I believe simulation in quantum mechanics is a quite interesting and not so simple topic. I believe the more correct thing to say is that quantum mechanics is approximable than simply computable. Don't forget, QM and current physical theories use real numbers, which are not digitally represent…

While we model our world as continuous quantities, doesn't QM give the necessary leeway here by imposing limits on measurement? If you computed fields as grids with grid points that are half a plank length apart, then added some "quantum noise" (just good pseudorandom noise in the right distribution), could we tell?

For things like light frequencies I believe we are not even sure if they are truly unquantized, so they might be discretely computable for all we know

Time is the tricky one. But if you get away from computing the whole universe and just try to compute the viewpoint of one observer that might be quite solvable

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by mattalex »

exceptione wrote: post #27

Maybe we could replace the link with the mdr.de? Heise.de violates GDPR law by using a "pay for play" model. I am sorry for the meta comment but websites like these should be on the black list imho (and it escapes me why the german watch dog is sleeping at the wheel so often).

The reason the German gdpr watchdog is not complaining about Heise is because what they are doing is completely legal: you can still disable the tracking with the "more options" below.

Current legal doctrine is that _forcing_ payment (i.e. cash for privacy) is not allowed, that does not mean you cannot offer a subscription that disables tracking: you just have to offer a free option as well, which they do.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by karussell »

Interesting that this pops up on HN. It was a real nice spot and I'm sad that it goes away. They had really nice holiday activities for kids, but also for adults and elderly. E.g. I myself tried VR the second time in one of the rooms from ZCOM.

I especially enjoyed ZCOM when at one point the Fabmobil visited them and I learned a couple of nice people. Not only computer hacking people but also craftsmans etc too.

Also a couple of times the ZCOM gave us space for our computer club (PPP, rip) in the hope we can benefit from each other. But unfortunately the interests stick to a few great "hardcore" people only, although we offered great and free pizza ;)

Fun times. Not even too long ago...

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by karussell »

1718627440 wrote: post #68

I wonder why they post such an article after you already can not go. If they did it earlier, they would have provided the museum with some more final visitors.

There were a few articles before that too. E.g. the currently linked heise article is from June.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by karussell »

Asmod4n wrote: post #67
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

Zuse is probably the most under-appreciated thinker of the 20th century. Everybody's heard of Claude Shannon, von Neumann, Feynman, and all the rest of 'em, but Zuse's enormous contributions have received rather little attention. To summarize a couple of the highlights: In 1936 Germany, Konrad Zuse began developing the Z1, a mechanical calculating machine programmed via perforated 35mm film. By 1937, he had broadened…

>I would think that the German state or EU should provide funding for his museum. If that's not the case, it's a shame. There is another Museum of his, which is still funded.

It is still a shame that the city which called itself Zuse-City does not try harder to keep it. I know how hard their financing situation is first hand but the ZCOM as a place and education institute was more worth then they understood.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by karussell »

inglor_cz wrote: post #24

The problem was probably in the location. Hoyerswerda is a place which does not attract visitors, even the locals left in droves (isn't it the German record holder when it comes to cities losing population?) In Dresden, Leipzig or Berlin, 30.000 visitors a year could have been reached.

I think Hoyerswerda was chosen for a reason: funding money should not always go to the big city and so they thought why not built it where Konrad Zuse went to school? It kind of makes sense...

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by tengwar2 »

jcranmer wrote: post #44
croes wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nevertheless, the Z3 was Turing-complete – how to implement a universal Turing machine on the Z3 was shown in 1998 by Raúl Rojas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)

One of the things about Turing-completeness is that it is very easy to become accidentally Turing-complete, since the conditions you need for completeness are very weak. (Famously, C++ template instantiation is unintentionally Turing-complete). Z3 is an example of an accidentally Turing-complete machine.

With the important exception of "infinite tape". That always gets forgotten.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by nicbou »

ahartmetz wrote: post #52
trentor wrote: post #7

Location, location, location. It's just in the middle of absolutely nothing. The surrounding has a bit of nature as appeal but it's depression county in regards of everything else.

I think Hoyerswerda is to this day best known for something that happened in the early 90s: Local neo-nazis rioted against and physically attacked some foreign contract workers and asylum seekers while the local police watched and did nothing.

I had to check, and it’s indeed in Saxony. The state does not have a great history with xenophobia.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by kiwibyproxy »

mattalex wrote: post #72
exceptione wrote: post #27

Maybe we could replace the link with the mdr.de? Heise.de violates GDPR law by using a "pay for play" model. I am sorry for the meta comment but websites like these should be on the black list imho (and it escapes me why the german watch dog is sleeping at the wheel so often).

The reason the German gdpr watchdog is not complaining about Heise is because what they are doing is completely legal: you can still disable the tracking with the "more options" below. Current legal doctrine is that _forcing_ payment (i.e. cash for privacy) is not allowed, that does not mean you cannot offer a subscription that disables tracking: you just have to offer a free option as well, which they do.

IIRC it is required that rejecting tracking is as easy as accepting it?

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by nicbou »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #32
matherial wrote: post #3

Although Zuse definitely received too little credit in the West (for somewhat understandable political reasons), there's another Zuse museum in Hünfeld, along with exhibitions at the Deutsches Technikmuseum in Berlin. So this is not as profound as it might seem. I suspect the main problem with this museum was just that it's off the beaten path.

Yes the Berlin exhibit is really well done with some beautiful artifacts well displayed and explained. The Z1 replica is a marvel: Zuse himself built in 1989. IIRC they also have sensible documentatioin about his Nazi connections that puts this work into appropriate context.

It’s such a nice museum, and yes the Z1 is mesmerising.
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