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I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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I guess we'll burn that bridge when we get to it!

More seriously though, I think we should be fine: we don't host any content, and what people do with the models is their own responsibility (legally speaking, in our jurisdiction, at least according to Claude -- we're talking to a real lawyer next week). Like any other provider, we offer no guarantees of sane, safe, or accurate results.

Thanks for bringing up a service like this, it's quite important. A few serious questions if you don't mind.

Confidentiality? Do you use any sort of logging and if not do you have a way to guarantee that your hosting providers are not snooping?

Price vs Vast or Runpod? If i have a very large or a very small workload do you have a competitive rate vs a gpu provider that offers private gpu access?

Subscription vs Api costs? Do you only offer api rate or will you offer discounted tokens for subscription? Subscription friendly towards open source harnesses such as omp?

Heretic ablation vs other methods? KL divergence scores? Do you post train the weights yourselves or do you offer weights trained by other organizations and is this information available on the service?

Cache hit/miss pricing policy? 90/10 or a different cache pricing policy, and how long do conversions stay in kv cache?

Quantized cache and model? Do you offer a choice if i want a quantized model for speed or a quantized cache? If not do you publish the information?

SGlang vs vllm or other inference engine? Do you publish your engine stack details?

Thank you kindly I find the competition in this space very lacking.

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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Given the context, your domain name is 'chefs kiss', perfect. I am completely curious what your legal defense would be though. "Come do things with AI that are probably illegal!" What?! We had no idea people would do things that are illegal!

What can a LLM generate that's illegal in the USA? Specifically a text-only LLM?

Text for pamphlets criticizing the ICE?

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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Completely coincidentally, we're just about to launch a service that does exactly this (API access to uncensored open models)! We have a waitlist at the moment but will be live very soon! https://violentdelights.ai

Given the context, your domain name is 'chefs kiss', perfect. I am completely curious what your legal defense would be though. "Come do things with AI that are probably illegal!" What?! We had no idea people would do things that are illegal!

> defense

Improper use is that of the user, not inherent to the tool.

Scolio: guns. Respondeo: guns are much more specialized (one-use) than knives. Proper use of sharp knives when what was shipped was a butter knife is understandable.

(The simile is not fully overlapping but should give the idea. The instrument must be flexible; if it is misused it is then a responsibility of the abuser.)

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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> I gave it the hardest real task that fits on one machine: reverse-engineering a commercial app's license check... Respectfully, tasks that allow for explicit straightforward true/false or done/not-done tests are not the "hardest real task[s]." In fact, those are the ones that see the most gains from AI-assisted coding. Testable tasks are where the largest opportunity is.

I guess the Riemann Hypothesis is an easy task then.

I still think that Anthropic went the wrong way. It would have been much more entertaining to ask the model to find a non trivial zero not on the line and give it encouragement. To see what exactly it will come up with.

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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Local models would be even better if they did not ship with all the refusal shenanigans built-in. You can safely bet organized crime has access to the best models without these hoops, which makes the case that the average user (=non-criminal) should have access too. As I understood from an ex-Anthropic employee, some orgs got access to Mythos based on their high enough spending level, not on other grounds. Either we…

> with all the refusal shenanigans

Given the faults in simulated Intelligence that LLMs have, and a comparatively low level - which means, lower judgement abilities - to the best of us, there is a strident match having such employee judge the intentions of the employer.

Limiting the responses makes much more sense on cloud-based systems (you are using our infrastructure etc.).

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

#77

Local models would be even better if they did not ship with all the refusal shenanigans built-in. You can safely bet organized crime has access to the best models without these hoops, which makes the case that the average user (=non-criminal) should have access too. As I understood from an ex-Anthropic employee, some orgs got access to Mythos based on their high enough spending level, not on other grounds. Either we…

Completely coincidentally, we're just about to launch a service that does exactly this (API access to uncensored open models)! We have a waitlist at the moment but will be live very soon! https://violentdelights.ai

Regardless of the service, I'm amazed at the site's atmosphere, like it was a roleplaying server.

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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Digression, but this is the real Great Filter imo, not AI. I think technology advances to a point where it only takes one or two bad actors to type the right prompt to get a recipe for civilization-destroying bioweapons before you get anywhere near true AGI or anything relevant to the Kardashev scale. Biology is fragile. But not that that’s a good justification for hamstrung models. I think it’s just the inevitable e…

I don't fully understand the instinct to regulate local models for this? It seems like the wrong place to address the problem. You can download Ebola sequences right now if you want to. That's not the same as having an isolate. The difference is a lot of messy reality. This kind of work is not generally "one shot" (Claude make me a supervirus, make no mistakes), it requires lab space, iteration, and specific resource…

It depends how easy it is (now, or in the near future) to turn information into weapons, and how realistic control of materials is. There's a reason we control access to plutonium, but information about metastable hafnium.

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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> I gave it the hardest real task that fits on one machine: reverse-engineering a commercial app's license check... Respectfully, tasks that allow for explicit straightforward true/false or done/not-done tests are not the "hardest real task[s]." In fact, those are the ones that see the most gains from AI-assisted coding. Testable tasks are where the largest opportunity is.

hardest for claude and chatgpt, which will refuse to do this task haha

Re: I gave Qwen 3.8 27B a reverse-engineering job and it finished in 30 minutes

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Given the context, your domain name is 'chefs kiss', perfect. I am completely curious what your legal defense would be though. "Come do things with AI that are probably illegal!" What?! We had no idea people would do things that are illegal!

What can a LLM generate that's illegal in the USA? Specifically a text-only LLM?

Blackmail, incitement, libel, and basically anything that comes up if you search "computer crimes".
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