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AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

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Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#71

Guess what this is probably fine. AI helps people do their work on a daily basis and probably makes them memorize less things. That’s how the world is moving. You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic. And we shouldn’t organize our society around memorizing things for exams.

Completely agree.

Absolute waste of time getting babies to walk now that we have cars and electric scooters!

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#72

Guess what this is probably fine. AI helps people do their work on a daily basis and probably makes them memorize less things. That’s how the world is moving. You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic. And we shouldn’t organize our society around memorizing things for exams.

Good exams don't just test memorization

Yup, when you find such exam please let us know.

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

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post #29

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This is the answer. Many (all?) European schools don’t give homework (this is partly because of the way the grad programs work). It’s on the students to study in order to pass the (difficult) exams.

Seems this did effectively abolish homework if AI is now doing it all for them. The result seems to be that fewer students pass the exams, not more. As with any skill, practice is necessary to achieve competence. If homework is no longer a viable way to force students to practice, you'll need to find some replacement, you can't just abolish it and expect there to be no negative consequences.

The replacement is students maturing into functional adults who learn they must study to pass exams, not to treat them like babies.

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

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Fortune cookie ass statement. Your career is more akin to the totality of school than it is to any specific facet of it imo. The social aspects are more important than the exam sitting most of the time.

> Fortune cookie ass statement. > The social aspects are more important than the exam sitting most of the time. To spell it out more clearly: every single aspect of your career is an exam. The interview is an exam, quite literally. The day-to-day responsibilities (meetings, planning, problem-solving, collaborating) are parts of the exam. If you're failing at those or automating them away, then what is your role? The…

And yet if nobody likes you your career is going to stall. If you’re annoying, if you smell bad, if you dress poorly, if you’re fat and ugly, just like in school you’re going to have worse career outcomes.

And I could also call most of those things assignments instead of exams and nobody would bat an eye.

Your analogy was both thoughtless and stands up to no scrutiny

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#75

Guess what this is probably fine. AI helps people do their work on a daily basis and probably makes them memorize less things. That’s how the world is moving. You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic. And we shouldn’t organize our society around memorizing things for exams.

What is a doctor? The person recommending next course of action based on best practices. What is the best practice? Is it a globally decided on thing, a locally tested thing that has proven to be better? Is the global thing just the most popular because someone wrote it on reddit and it got millions of views (but isn't actually good). If our society is organized on just delegating all authority to "the best answer" w…

> What is a doctor? The person recommending next course of action based on best practices. What is the best practice? Is it a globally decided on thing, a locally tested thing that has proven to be better? Is the global thing just the most popular because someone wrote it on reddit and it got millions of views (but isn't actually good).

Ironically I had a friend who went to med school and in his own words roughly 90% or more of the students there are heavily relying on GPT. They even had a few instances where people were using it to cheat during exams. And supposedly during the clinical years of uni if they don't know something they literally just go to a separate room and start asking GPT for answers. Make of that what you will.

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Why one would care? Look at your comment from two days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49363319 > I hope we'll figure out some equitable society before that, but I'm not going to bet on it, so I'll do what I can to be on the side of the winners. Obviously people care if they think they might lose out. Is it going to be this hopes-and-prayers about egalitarianism/ah screw it I hope I get to oppress and domin…

I believe 4 things:

1) We're building a tool that can make toil of every kind obsolete. We're not there yet, but I'm watching it happen in real time.

2) The fact that it works so well economically means that it's inevitably going to take over. Humans simply won't be profitably employable, and this will happen sooner than you think.

3) The takeover could lead to a utopia, where nothing is needed of anyone, and you could do what you want when you want it.

4) Humans are likely fuck that up, and it's worth doing what you can to end up in the group that benefits. Sipping wine on the beach isn't mutually exclusive with a great deal going to the winners.

I do not believe that human brains are magical, and I think that they can be surpassed with manufactured brains.

Concerns over equitable the distribution is doesn't affect the value of skills.

I get it, there's a strong anti-AI vibe here because of point 4. I'm somewhat worried, but I'm also really excited about the possiblilities, and I don't think we can avoid going to a fully AI future no matter how anti-AI you are; we can only figure out where to set the dial on how the rewards get shared.

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#77

Guess what this is probably fine. AI helps people do their work on a daily basis and probably makes them memorize less things. That’s how the world is moving. You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic. And we shouldn’t organize our society around memorizing things for exams.

Memorizing stuff is good for understanding. Of course memorizing without understanding doesn't really help, which is what a lot of student last-minute "cramming" boils down to. But without concrete and memorized knowledge, any abstract reasoning skills become quickly impossible.

Wrong. Memorizing without understanding is pointless. And I'd argue that rote memorization does nothing to guide ones understanding. Because if you actually understand a subject deeply enough you can literally derive almost anything that would need to be memorized on the fly, and if you can't (say constants, or spec information, or anything else) you can simply surgically look it up online (or via an LLM).

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

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Meetings are still like exams, if you can't craft a line of thinking on the spot it doesn't come off well. You don't need a final answer but you can't just answer "I don't know" otherwise you risk being slimed (shout out to anyone who still remembers "You Can't Do That on Television")

“I don’t know but after this meeting I will find out and get back to you” Is an acceptable answer.

Why would they ask you when they can ask Claude then?

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#79
post #69
post #18

abolish homework

Around here kids get homework in kindergarten . It's absurd.

Errr, what does it contain then? :-D

This sounds really strange, never heard of.

BTW / Offtopic: I have read some weeks ago, today if you are hosting a party for your kids birthday, parents are preparing "give away bags" for handing over when leaving the party

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

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post #57

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Seems this did effectively abolish homework if AI is now doing it all for them. The result seems to be that fewer students pass the exams, not more. As with any skill, practice is necessary to achieve competence. If homework is no longer a viable way to force students to practice, you'll need to find some replacement, you can't just abolish it and expect there to be no negative consequences.

The replacement is students maturing into functional adults who learn they must study to pass exams, not to treat them like babies.

> The replacement is students maturing into functional adults

By what means? Have you got a magic wand that will turn 3rd graders into mature functional adults who will study on their own without homework?

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