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Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by rsynnott »

AureliusMA wrote: post #68
pizzly wrote: post #8

Not sure why Anthropic is getting all the attention here. Google been doing this since at least late 2024[1] and openai I believe is doing this around 9 days ago[2]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08025-4 [2] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8912793-provenance-signa...

That’s what I can’t put my finger on, see my other comment : why would Anthropic tell the public.

The EU AI Act requires them to do this. It would be pretty weird for them to say "we're not going to do this" while secretly doing it anyway.

Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by JohnFen »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #56
xnorswap wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why care about a watermark?

Because it's yet another signal prejudiced people get to use against me to dismiss my projects as slop.

But in the absence of a reliable signal (which I doubt this is anyway, so I'm speaking hypothetically), lots of people will get their work dismissed as AI-generated when it isn't.

Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by AureliusMA »

rsynnott wrote: post #71
AureliusMA wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s what I can’t put my finger on, see my other comment : why would Anthropic tell the public.

The EU AI Act requires them to do this. It would be pretty weird for them to say "we're not going to do this" while secretly doing it anyway.

Thanks

Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by spwa4 »

bagelcollie wrote: post #54
taurusnoises wrote: post #11

So, it seems the watermark is less what it sounds like (a stamp) and more an "imperceptible statistical pattern woven into the choice of words and sentence structures." Does that mean AI responses will sound even more "AI?" Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? I see the word "imperceptible" there, but what does this mean in this context? My non-tech…

From my understanding, AI outputs have patterns due to its text prediction algorithm and AI detectors just recognize those patterns as watermarks. If there used to be 1,000 different ways to write a paragraph, watermarks may reduce it to 300 and that’s still a lot. Humans shouldn’t be able to perceive these changes except the output is really short. https://www.seangoedecke.com/text-ai-watermarks/

Nope. AI labs have agreed to start inserting those watermarks purposefully.

Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by armoredkitten »

fnordian_slip wrote: post #6
mft_ wrote: post #4

Amusingly, the 'histrionic' Reddit post linked to in the article smells very AI generated to me. [0] "And it doesn't stop there. There's the power question." So not only is the Reddit user in question writing impassioned angry screeds about being caught using AI in their work, but they are presumably asking for Claude's help in writing said prose. I wonder what that prompt looked like? [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ar…

>Amusingly, the 'histrionic' Reddit post linked to in the article smells very AI generated to me. The whole text was a smorgasbord of the worst, most boring AI clichés possible. It was hard to finish for me, even though it is not that long, just because it was so badly written. The only reason why I think it was partly written by a person who is just way too used to AI (as opposed to a simple prompt) is that the gaps…

Yeah this definitely seems like a case of "hey AI, take this mess of incoherent conspiracy-laden rambling points and turn it into something" and the AI had to try and stitch something together that even resembled something making sense. The logic doesn't even hold together.

Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by matheusmoreira »

JohnFen wrote: post #72
matheusmoreira wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's yet another signal prejudiced people get to use against me to dismiss my projects as slop.

But in the absence of a reliable signal (which I doubt this is anyway, so I'm speaking hypothetically), lots of people will get their work dismissed as AI-generated when it isn't.

People should not be dismissing other people's work at all, AI generated or not.

If you're looking for signals, it's because you want to do something based on the result. Maybe people should work on getting rid of that impulse instead.

Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by fzeroracer »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #76
JohnFen wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But in the absence of a reliable signal (which I doubt this is anyway, so I'm speaking hypothetically), lots of people will get their work dismissed as AI-generated when it isn't.

People should not be dismissing other people's work at all, AI generated or not. If you're looking for signals, it's because you want to do something based on the result. Maybe people should work on getting rid of that impulse instead.

If you're a gamer: Have you seen the amount of AI slop on Steam? Or the amount of poorly created translations banged out with AI? Or the amount of shitty decomps appearing daily developed with Claude? People are looking for signals because AI usage is a strong signal of poor quality trash. You are not going to overcome that barrier by complaining it's being made obvious of it or complaining that people are being 'prejudiced', the only way you will overcome it is by proving you have something of actual worth. And if you can't prove that, then maybe you need to reevaluate what you are creating.

Re: Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it

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Post by karussell »

I wondered how watermarks are in the interests of the AI companies, but now it is more clear to me as there are two benefits:

first, they can skip them for training and

second, the AI output can be licensed to reduce, or at least detect, that if output is used as training data for other (more open) models.

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