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Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by moduspol »

jerf wrote: post #34
causal wrote: post #23

Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

Possibility: They're all hitting the same plateau of what LLMs can do with their current architectures. I'm not stating this as a fact, but it's a hypothesis I'm keeping in my mix.

It's possible, though I was thinking the same when GPT 5 released and it was kind of a nothing burger. Then I threw out that hypothesis with Opus 4.5.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by user43928 »

causal wrote: post #23

Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

I understand Mythos became internally available on the 24th of February.

Other labs catching up in half a year seems about right.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by chuckreynolds »

jorl17 wrote: post #58
cjalmeida wrote: post #5

Fable-like intelligence, beats GPT-5.6-Sol on most benchmarks, cheaper than Kimi K3 on API and quite generous usage on Cursor subscription.

In my tests Grok 4.5 is definitely not Opus level. It is somewhere in between Sonnet and Opus, I'd say maybe a bit closer to Sonnet. We'll see with 4.6.

similar outcome i had. interested in where 4.6 falls.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by porridgeraisin »

hackernan9000 wrote: post #48
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #26

As polarizing as grok is, it was basically inevitable for it to start being a real competitor given how much investment SpaceX made into its own inference capabilities. Seems if you are okay with it, there's no reason to use anything but the highest effort levels of some other frontier models for the price. I think Grok provides healthy competition to the other labs, though I do think they bank on groks reputation ma…

Curious - what is the main issue you find polarizing with grok?

I believe it is because of the CEO and his recent forays into politics.

The model itself is great though, especially in grok build, which is a really nice harness I find myself preferring these days.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by dd8601fn »

arrosenberg wrote: post #67
hackernan9000 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious - what is the main issue you find polarizing with grok?

Not the person you are responding to, but the fact that Grok is being used to generate a ton of CSAM and pornographic deepfakes isn't great!

Is that still a thing? I assumed they would have done something about it by now.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by causal »

ayewo wrote: post #64
causal wrote: post #23

Anyone else find it weird how within 2 months of Fable releasing all the major labs suddenly had Fable-level models? Trying to think of explanations: 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? 2) Distillation - also implausible for the reason above. 3) Benchmark hacking. AI companies h…

> 1) AI researchers talk and change companies often, so techniques circulate. This feels implausible because training and shipping a new model ought to take longer than 2 months? The assumed timeline (2 months) is slightly wrong because Fable (Latin) is essentially the same as Mythos (Greek) albeit with protections against cyber and biological misuse. Mythos (Preview) was publicly announced in April 2026 [1] which me…

Fair point. Still a very quick turnaround considering the other labs would have to figure out both HOW to train a Mythos-level model and then do the work (and Grok is the last to catch up), but certainly more plausible than a 2 month window.

Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by dd8601fn »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #75
hackernan9000 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious - what is the main issue you find polarizing with grok?

I believe it is because of the CEO and his recent forays into politics. The model itself is great though, especially in grok build, which is a really nice harness I find myself preferring these days.

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Re: Grok 4.6

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Post by extr »

causal wrote: post #44
extr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because Fable is just synthetic RL tasks + scale. The secret has been out for awhile now.

Does not explain timing

keep in mind fable = mythos which as been "done" since february. so the gap is not 2 months, it's more like - techniques probably started "working" in late 2025, now are trickling down to 2nd tier labs 9 months later.
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