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Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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I don't see the argument here. You can easily adjust the law to force verification. You seem to assume that "this is now final, nothing will change after that". Why would you assume this to be the case?

The slope is only slippery if the change in question makes it easier for future changes to be bad. Otherwise you're only arguing for no changes to ever be made. Does this law make forced verification easier than if this law didn't exist?

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Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

#72
post #53

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It is a technical ratchet. Once you accept part of the implementation it will never be undone, more will be added.

Literally a slippery slope argument

Sometimes when you see your opponents getting out a ramp and a barrel of lube, you can call it a slippery slope.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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post #53

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It is a technical ratchet. Once you accept part of the implementation it will never be undone, more will be added.

Literally a slippery slope argument

Slippery slope actually works though.

Makes no sense to treat it like some unwelcome argument

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

#74
post #64

These laws still do not sit well with me. This is just going to create endless lawsuits. In my opinion the safer choice would be to avoid doing anything with current teens, that's just a non starter. Instead think of sliding windows of time and sandbox small children on a child account that if all goes well will one day be a teen and then an adult. They will thank you when they are an adult for looking out for them w…

Just make it a liability for social media companies. Let them figure it out. This is how we age gate everything else.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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that is the start of a lot of bills like this... they really only ever increase in scope and invasiveness.

On the contrary in my experience once a legislature passes a bill to "fix" a particular problem they consider it fixed and don't update it for at least 20 years.

it depends on whether or not there's someone who sees it as a crusade (rare), sees it as a way to get political clout (very common) and/or is getting a lot of lobbying money (extremely common [1]). see, for eg, the anti-trans bills that are being passed

this is the same rhetorical and political strategy, that there are 'dangerous' people who will exploit your children so please vote for me, the person who cares the most about children and will go after the 'dangerous' people

[1] https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/04/15/big-tech-is-pushing...

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

#78
post #42

The interesting part here is enforcement. Linux isn't controlled by a single vendor, so I'm not sure who the law would actually target.

A Linux distribution is

So presumably the next step is they move their servers out of the US and then DA's target the Linux Foundation directly (e.g., coerce the kernel to take a change by some Meta engineers that "attests" a device when said option is compiled in, then force it as default on.. so in Debian you'd get an "Illinois"-kernel variant).

At which point the only move is to relocate the foundation to another country, which will then of course be hit by tariffs and sanctions.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

#79

Unpopular opinion, but this is objectively better than having to upload your ID to every random website that requires an age check (if that's what the end result is).

Instead of the client sending the user's age to the server, why not make the server send a minimum age to the client? The client is welcome to block content without disclosing personal information to the server. This is as secure as sending an unverified age to the servet.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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post #27

So in red states porn is being used, and in blue states TikTok and Instagram are being used. Is anyone tracking who is behind the concerted efforts here? For example, which organizations, executives, lobbyists and politicians are valid and responsible parties?

I used to run a parental controls startup and after talking to lots of parents, I can tell you this sentiment is shared among most parents. Parents on both sides of the isle think they're going to keep their teenagers off the internet forever, I had parents look me straight in the face and say their child wouldn't be allowed online until she was 16. Parents aren't interested in the nuance of good and bad guys, they s…

Perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to school until 16? School and other kids can expose theirs to many detrimental things.
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