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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by paxys »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

It could be a good thing but I wouldn’t rush to say “unquestionably”. There is a long history of mega corps hijacking open source and open standards for their own ends and leaving the space infinitely worse.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by frenchtoast8 »

paxys wrote: post #69
blueSky1989 wrote: post #67

My favorite paragraph from Zuckerberg's writeup: """ [...] it is surprising that the discourse from many developing AI is so filled with doom. I do not understand why anyone who believes that AI will eliminate most jobs and much of humanity's relevance would rush to build that future. The notion that AI is so dangerous that the only safe path is an extreme concentration of power seems inherently problematic. Historic…

Now go read Zuck’s comments on AI when he fired 8000 employees earlier this year.

Any particular quote you want to share?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by wolttam »

efromvt wrote: post #60
vehemenz wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is unneedfully obtuse. Double hyphens are a stand-in for em dashes in most contexts.

I think the context here is that em dashes are usually generated verbatim from LLMs? I haven't seen them generate a lot of double hyphens; I suppose the post could be laundering them to double dashes, but if you're gonna try to hide LLM prose just drop them entirely? [please correct me if I'm wrong and double dashes are also an LLM tell - genuinely don't know]

My comment was trying to point on the inanity of calling out "so many em-dashes" on a post where it doesn't seem that obvious it was LLM generated. I added some of my own inanity with my remark about them being double-dashes, even though some people undoubtedly find-and-replace the em-dashes in their LLM-generated content something else to try and make it appear more authentic.

But perhaps the best approach would have been to down-vote and move on.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by toyg »

franze wrote: post #50

i was wondering why meta has such a hard time with llm development its the organisational goal of that endeavour they are doing it in a phase of firing people so the goal of llm at meta is "to make people redundant" and no matter of HR/PR speak can change it antrophic and openai have the goal "lets create the future" whomever they hire and no matter how much money they spend on it, the goal alone will create very dif…

> antrophic and openai have the goal "lets create the future"

Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.

They all do it for the same reason: to make a lot of money by selling it to companies who want to cut labor costs.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by basch »

lukan wrote: post #53
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But this is an unquestionably good thing right? Their efforts in open AI are by far the best thing Facebook/Meta have ever done. They opened the door to the Chinese, who are doing excellent work, and between them they are preventing the concentration of power and the rise of monopoly pricing. This is enough to absolve them of almost any sin. If I were a utilitarian, I'd unironically be a Zuckerberg fan right now.

"This is enough to absolve them of almost any sin. If I were a utilitarian, I'd unironically be a Zuckerberg fan right now." Well, if it were the only thing he is doing now, but FB is still controlling peoples social life with who knows what kind of intentions they train their algorithms for. But I can and do still welcome this move here.

Intention might be giving too much credit. If attention seeking “give the people what they want” is the goal, it’s a completely headless out of control cobra, not sinister well thought out objectives to control society.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

Discussion on sources:

The Future Is for Everyone – The Path to a Positive AI Future

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49241728

Meta Muse Glimmer – open weights 30B local coding model

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49241679

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by bigyabai »

dbspin wrote: post #70
ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

I'd like to question that premise. Open models are great for research, privacy, cost, customisation and a host of other things... But they're also going to be the engine that breaks the world. I'm already surprised that we haven't seen Llama / Qwen + Whisper automated spear phishing at scale. It's literally just a matter of time. Given the incredible progress in image and video generation, it's been clear for a coupl…

> the problems so vexatious (not to mention expensive) that little space is given to acknowledging them, let alone solving them.

These problems will exist regardless of whether or not we get open model access. I'd personally rather that OpenAI and Anthropic aren't profiting off these scammers, creating a perverse incentive that open model providers don't have.

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Post by basch »

drob518 wrote: post #51
forestrywat wrote: post #5

Is this "I'm losing so I think we should change the rules"? Because it seems like that.

It’s a long term pattern. When you’re winning (Anthropic), you keep the tech closed and try to monetize it as much as possible. When you’re losing (Meta), you open it up or drag it into a standards committee to either devalue it or slow the leader down while you prepare a “standard” version of it. You also highlight how altruistic and morally good you are for having done so. There is nothing new under the sun. It’s a…

No. Opening it is to commoditize and reduce the price to use. This increases participation and creates new consumers and demand. Demand creates justification for further creation.

All the participants know it’s both a race to the bottom and a competition for premium tier at the same time. It’s two different games, meta in only really playing one of them successfully.

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Post by basch »

RunSet wrote: post #11
forestrywat wrote: post #5

Is this "I'm losing so I think we should change the rules"? Because it seems like that.

"They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks." \- Mark Zuckerberg[0] [0] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/09/20/the-face-of-fa...

It was an insightful comment at the time he made it.

His point wasn’t that he couldn’t be trusted, it was that he could be anyone and people had zero awareness or concern for their privacy. It was eye opening to him how little people outside tech circles cared about security, and he was both flippant and accurate.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by GetMeSoon »

lukan wrote: post #53
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But this is an unquestionably good thing right? Their efforts in open AI are by far the best thing Facebook/Meta have ever done. They opened the door to the Chinese, who are doing excellent work, and between them they are preventing the concentration of power and the rise of monopoly pricing. This is enough to absolve them of almost any sin. If I were a utilitarian, I'd unironically be a Zuckerberg fan right now.

"This is enough to absolve them of almost any sin. If I were a utilitarian, I'd unironically be a Zuckerberg fan right now." Well, if it were the only thing he is doing now, but FB is still controlling peoples social life with who knows what kind of intentions they train their algorithms for. But I can and do still welcome this move here.

> FB is still controlling peoples social life with who knows what kind of intentions they train their algorithms for.

As opposed to literally any social network out there, right?

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