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ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

#71

Doesn't matter; have DeepSeek. US AI companies are too busy shaving their heads into their own rear sides. I don't know what would happen when DeepSeek inevitably catch up though. Perhaps that's going to be how this wave of AI hype ends?

Do you think people behind DeepSeek don't have their own interests? And people/parties controlling people behind DeepSeek?

...are they going to come to my house and delete my local copy?

Open weights are a one-way ratchet.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

#72

How many books were they (LLMs) trained on illegally?

At this point possibly technically none. Anthropic recently made a deal to basically pay out for their piracy, and all the big groups have purchased shit tons of used books.

wouldn't be surprised if pretty much all the training data is legal now, at least retroactively from having obtained copies later.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

#73
LLMs are only good at copying the surface, like frequently used words, sentence structures, use of metaphors, etc. They fail at copying the underlying thinking framework. LLMs cannot reproduce this, and they do notice the lack of framework in their writings (that’s how the know the writings are fake), but offer those as successful clones anyways.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even LLMs from years ago could accurately mimic the style of any sufficiently famous author.

LLMs from years ago weren't aligned to death like these days. It's hard to get rid of "AI smell" than years ago.

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Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would wager that many people are eager to read George R.R. Martin's latest were he unable to finish it. Stieg Larsson's Lisbeth Salander has featured in works written by others after his death. Why not AI?

1. AI is incapable of doing this well, and that seems unlikely to change. 2. No one who appreciates those books wants this.

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Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Wuddabout: Works unfinished at the time of the author's death? Abandoned works? Lost works? Prompt: Aristotle's work on comedy has been lost. Write a short treatise on comedy, using Aristotle's methods as shown in his Corpus and especially his treatises on Rhetoric and Poetics.

Useless. The work is still lost or abandoned.

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Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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This is rich considering LLMs can't even write like an average person let alone famous authors

this is rich coming from the company that shreds books for training data

99.99% of printed books are worthless.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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> truesight of obscure forum posters What does this mean?

It's almost like a claudeism

Gwern, who posted that comment, is one of the early popularisers of the term. Janus used it in at least 2023, and Gwern in at least early 2024.

If anything, you probably have the causation backwards: Claude talks like a LessWrong poster.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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This is rich considering LLMs can't even write like an average person let alone famous authors

LLMs cannot write dialogue between two characters where one person knows a fact and the other person doesn't. It will consistently make the character who shouldn't know something bring up said fact and I have not found a model which will not do this. All these years of LLM research and it fails grade schooler level logic, if it is even slightly abstracted behind a story.

A good plenty of counterexamples on eqbench.com.
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