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Re: Why ugly buildings create NIMBYism

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Post by felineflock »

Panzerschrek wrote: post #65
felineflock wrote: post #51

Modern architecture is ugly, influenced by Brutalism. And it is common for developers to present at the city council some beautiful drawings of dwellings surrounded by trees, with couples walking together holding hands and children playing. But when the actual thing is built it ends up looking like industrial warehouses. And the people who complain about enshitification of diverse services are the same ones complaini…

> influenced by Brutalism Actual brutalism is actually pretty. But what is today called modern architecture, is not brutalism, but a consequence of construction cost cuts.

> Actual brutalism is actually pretty

I would like to see some brutalist examples of what you find pretty (excepting eco-brutalism, since the plants hide a bit of the ugliness).

Re: Why ugly buildings create NIMBYism

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Post by Panzerschrek »

felineflock wrote: post #71
Panzerschrek wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> influenced by Brutalism Actual brutalism is actually pretty. But what is today called modern architecture, is not brutalism, but a consequence of construction cost cuts.

> Actual brutalism is actually pretty I would like to see some brutalist examples of what you find pretty (excepting eco-brutalism, since the plants hide a bit of the ugliness).

https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82...

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Embassy_of_Russia_in_Hav...

Re: Why ugly buildings create NIMBYism

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Post by mixmastamyk »

freetinker wrote: post #66
mixmastamyk wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you have a problem with law enforcement in the area. Also a lawyer would come in handy. Class action with neighbors should be less onerous for each party.

I think you may have missed the point. Law enforcement isn’t some 100% effective panacea. And getting to the point of a class action = a lot endured. Which is OP’s point.

Step one is never a panacea. But don’t show with a giant list of problems without trying anything. The perception given anyway.

Re: Why ugly buildings create NIMBYism

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Post by adammarples »

PeterStuer wrote: post #20
davidw wrote: post #17

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"Destroy" - see, that's the kind of rhetoric we hear when it turns out they're building like a small apartment building or something. Change happens one way or another. If a place has 10 homes and 100 people want to live there, you can either 1) build more homes or 2) see the 10 wealthiest of those 100 people eventually get the housing in that place. Both are pretty significant change, just one is more visible becaus…

What about "I bought this property because I like this environment to live here" is difficult to understand?

What about "I built a property here because I like the environment and you're welcome to sell up" do you not like?

Re: Why ugly buildings create NIMBYism

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Post by pirates »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #73
freetinker wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you may have missed the point. Law enforcement isn’t some 100% effective panacea. And getting to the point of a class action = a lot endured. Which is OP’s point.

Step one is never a panacea. But don’t show with a giant list of problems without trying anything. The perception given anyway.

You don’t know that they didn’t try anything, it’s a bad faith assumption to try to downplay their points.

Re: Why ugly buildings create NIMBYism

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Post by mixmastamyk »

pirates wrote: post #75
mixmastamyk wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step one is never a panacea. But don’t show with a giant list of problems without trying anything. The perception given anyway.

You don’t know that they didn’t try anything, it’s a bad faith assumption to try to downplay their points.

As they say on stack overflow, don’t show up with only a question, show what you tried.

Also, I understand bad luck happens but that is not a normal list, a dozen things went wrong and not a single word about how they tried to improve their situation. All of them are not the fault of “construction” of new homes, which can be, and often is accomplished with less disruption.

If this were the typical reality we’d have to shut down home-building for good as too disruptive.

Re: Why ugly buildings create NIMBYism

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

davidw wrote: post #63
watwut wrote: post #60

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It was because the new people were not white. They were black. The culture was not a factor, no matter how respectability politcs exactly as white they acted, they were black and thus a threat.

That's what 'FuriouslyAdrift' is saying. Those are the people he/she does not want in the neighborhood.

There are plenty of blacks (and latino, indian, phillipino) in my neigborhood as it's a firmly middle class neighborhood. What we don't want is CRIME and transient residents that don't care about the area along with the landlords that are out of state.
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