Currently these models have a limited context window, so the value of a session is not that high, at any rate at some point the model will have forgotten things. If in the future the model will truly learn / "change" as a result of the interaction, in any case this will be non portable to another model. So I think this is kinda moot
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#72The AI companies need some way to lock you in. You weren't hoping for a free market were you? Hah. Free markets are for peasants. Investors are always looking for ways to make the market non-free.
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#75I don’t see this as a big deal in practice. Conversations contain a bunch of junk anyway, so removing it from the context is usually good. In my repo, I have a notes directory. I ask the AI to write a markdown file with what it learned, what work has been done, and what remains. In the next conversation, I can ask another model to pick it up from there. Sometimes I edit the note first.
Oh, it very much is a big deal. In a setting where users can switch models easily and with no downsides, market forces will give us better and cheaper AI over time. If switching models is painful (as in, losing part of your context), the providers can create vendor lock-in, enshittify the user experience, and drive up cost. Even if there are workarounds right now, those AI providers have every incentive to make freed…
> It is disheartening that some AI companies are now setting the stage for enshittification.
Now?! I find it very hard to beleive that plans for enshittification haven't existed from quite early on. At some point they are going to have to do something about https://isaiprofitable.com/ and once they are extracting from you to fill that hole they won't want you jumping ship.
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#76I don’t see this as a big deal in practice. Conversations contain a bunch of junk anyway, so removing it from the context is usually good. In my repo, I have a notes directory. I ask the AI to write a markdown file with what it learned, what work has been done, and what remains. In the next conversation, I can ask another model to pick it up from there. Sometimes I edit the note first.
> Conversations contain a bunch of junk anyway
This is what brought me around to doing more agentic coding. I set the task, require tests and the strict linting must pass and then leave it to blow smoke up its own ass about what's going on.
I see glimpses scrolling past of all the conversational language that used to frustrate me so much when using a chat interface and I can just let it flow on past.
I come back when its made everything pass, my life is better now.
The previous match was still too clever for clippy’s type analysis, so I’ve simplified it into a direct borrowed-pattern form and I’m validating once more. I’m replacing that wrapper with a direct, non-transparent error variant so the enum stays explicit and doesn’t rely on a generic anyhow bridge.
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#77> “Most People Do Not Switch Models Mid-Session” I do, quite regularly. Because different models have different strength (for example when producing text for live presentations based on the text for a reading deck). Or when it comes to other aspects of the work. I regularly switch between open wheight models and closed models. I know, I am a tiny minority here. And this behavior only ever started a few weeks ago. But…
Out of interest, what models do you find work best for producing text for live presentations based on the text for a reading deck?
I found Kimi3 (currently only a few tests) to be not to bad. Older Claude versions (did not yet test it with the 4.8-5 generation.
I do not really like (even if it is my daily driver for a lot of things) gpt-5.x for text. It really needs heavy hand holding and beating it into submission to produce readable/human sounding text.
Tbh. I am still looking for my "go to model". But the Chinese models were for my use cases significantly better than openAI models and personally I liked them better than Anthropic ones as well.
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#78I don’t see this as a big deal in practice. Conversations contain a bunch of junk anyway, so removing it from the context is usually good. In my repo, I have a notes directory. I ask the AI to write a markdown file with what it learned, what work has been done, and what remains. In the next conversation, I can ask another model to pick it up from there. Sometimes I edit the note first.
You loose inspection, export, replay and audit.
None of the popular providers have real moat, which is very much problematic for OpenAI and Anthropic; their operating margins are deeply red and they do not have the same reserves that FAANG/MANGA has. FAANG/MANGA does the same to kill fair market competition in the long run.
This is one of the ways in which model providers are attempting to artificially create moat where there is none.
There are only functional objections to this.
This is fundamentally antitrust material. However, this is “acceptable” in contemporary USA because the FTC has been gutted to follow Trumponomics.
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#79This is an important article. I hadn’t realized it was already getting this bad. Like a frog enjoying a nice warm bath ... > Most people do not switch their operating system or phone provider every week either. But even if you do not utilize that freedom, it matters because it changes the relationship you have with the provider and the provider has with you. This is why it’s important to utilize your freedoms. Do NOT…
I am waiting for prices to get down and in the meanwhile I am gathering as much session data from claude/codex as possible so I can then later use them to fine tune open models. I've built my own session parser/archiver for this.
Same. And I built a search tool for that repository of older sessions, so that I can search through those on all my machines. This helps me to be able to pick something up on a machine I did not originally start the convo on.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve actually started ignoring services where that’s the only login possibility. Sorry even if your platform is the greatest thing ever, but I’ll find a different tool. I’ve read one too many stories about Google (or Apple!) closing the entire account over some bullshit unnecessary reason like “fraudulent” gift card issues or whatever. I’m certain the affected people would’ve preferred to just pay back the amount in…
It's the only reason I want to replace Tailscale with something else or look into self-host when have a bit of time during my vacation. They only allow login through a third party, which is a big no for me.
This is what headscale does, right? Manage private logins and keys for your tailnet from a vps? I haven't played with it but seems straightforward