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Proving a human wrote something

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Re: Proving a human wrote something

#71

sounds a bit like Grammarly Authorship https://www.grammarly.com/authorship "Authorship creates an originality report you can share with your professor, boss, or editor. It also lets you replay your document’s creation from the first word to the last punctuation mark so you can double-check your process."

Well, this explains who has the training data to fake it then.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#72

I have a slightly different approach on my blog https://ezeugo.dev where my entire thought process (edits, original ideas, rewrites are a part of the actual essay). By making the event stream part of the product, it shows the process and output as one.

One of the best things i've seen in years, and have long wanted for myself.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#73

Just like we trained on human language to create LLMs, we can train on human keystrokes with a similar algorithm and spit out believable (at least statistically) "human" keystrokes generated by machine.

Except quite oddly, virtually no one has collected precise keystroke information or if they have it certainly is not public. I genuinely wonder if such a dataset exists

Online typing speed tests are in a really good position to collect and sell this data, if they aren't already doing it.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#74

> “I didn’t think anyone would care” prevented me from writing, though A few years ago I started writing Twitter threads [0]. A few weeks ago I passed 200 total threads. When I started writing them, my thought process was: "Is anyone going to be interested in my stories/ideas??" Dear HN comment reader, I can 100% assure you of two things: 1. If you write things, at least one person will read them. 2. It is VERY hard…

Being able to distill a story down into bite sized chunks sounds like an optimization for the younger generation, with their 20 second attention span.

It's not something I necessarily associate with "good writing". Or does the skill transcend the medium and help you write better long form content as well?

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#75

> “I didn’t think anyone would care” prevented me from writing, though A few years ago I started writing Twitter threads [0]. A few weeks ago I passed 200 total threads. When I started writing them, my thought process was: "Is anyone going to be interested in my stories/ideas??" Dear HN comment reader, I can 100% assure you of two things: 1. If you write things, at least one person will read them. 2. It is VERY hard…

Here's one heuristic: usually the factually incorrect, rage inducing hot takes that feed into people's existing biases, insecurities or frustrations get attention.

It's my personal experience at least, and since then I've never used social media attention as a gauge of the quality of my writing.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#76
Overly wordy, em dashes, random things bolded, overly verbose, somewhat redundant, using "three dollar words" that the real person wouldn't use, and strange paragraph segmentation.

These are the signs. Spotting AI writings isn't as hard as people think. AI is not the savior you think it is.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#77

Overly wordy, em dashes, random things bolded, overly verbose, somewhat redundant, using "three dollar words" that the real person wouldn't use, and strange paragraph segmentation. These are the signs. Spotting AI writings isn't as hard as people think. AI is not the savior you think it is.

All AIs seem to be playing a similar distilling game. Codex and Claude have similar “honest take” sentences when AI is flat out hallucinating.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#78
I think it would be more effective to create an entire blogging platform website. You can use drop-in JavaScript bot detection and proof of work. You can also capture the timing of every keystroke, and build a model of not just human-like typing, but human-like composition.

Being published on the platform is the proof of authenticity, not a png that can be copied, or a link that the reader has to check.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what's preventing you to LLM slop your next post? We believe you on internet karma?

A lot of people do, that's the point. And over time there will be zero evidence that I ever used an LLM because I haven't. Many people in real life also believe it and they can also vouch for me.

You're missing the point.

If all we're left with is "trust me bro", then we're left with nothing.

Re: Proving a human wrote something

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people do, that's the point. And over time there will be zero evidence that I ever used an LLM because I haven't. Many people in real life also believe it and they can also vouch for me.

You're missing the point. If all we're left with is "trust me bro", then we're left with nothing.

Disagree with that one. "trust me" is not a good policy if your intent is to minimize deception. That's why "trust me" is not a good policy for banks because even a 1% loss of people's money is a bad thing. But it's a good policy for filtering out people because you only need to find a few good ones to have a community. The very strong anti-AI people and the very strong pro-AI people should be easy to find, and what's in the middle can be ignored.
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