Live data from Hacker News

Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

phoronix.com

71–80 of 80 posts

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually not really, Lunar Lake chips with Xe2 graphics have VVC decoding in hardware which can do 8K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versatile_Video_Coding

They were likely saying that 8K displays are way out of budget for most consumers.

Where I live, we have 50 inch 8k TVs for 180 USD.

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard frequently complaints about NVIDIA drivers on Linux, but I always wonder about which are the exact circumstances in which such problems can appear. I have used NVIDIA GPUs on Linux continuously since 2005, i.e. for 21 years. During this time I have been using more than a dozen different kinds of desktop NVIDIA GPUs, both GeForce and Quadro (I have multiple computers). I have also used several kinds of la…

I have used Linux equally long, Nvidia on my last 3 or 4 systems. They all had problems with very sporadic hard crashes (full system freeze so hard magic sysrq keys don't work, and nothing is visible in the logs. Sometimes with audio looping.) It doesn't happen often , rare enough that I sometimes fooled myself into thinking I'd found and solved the issue. But then 4 months down the road, often with a driver update,…

>They all had problems with very sporadic hard crashes

I had such an issue recently, on a laptop with an Intel igpu and an Nvidia primus card.

I'm not a coward, so I debugged the system, and found that the crash was caused by the Intel i915 driver trying to do some tricky hdmi related mumbo jumbo with the hdmi port that wasn't even connected to the igpu, it was connected to the nvidia gpu.

When I contacted intel bugtracker, they just said "ah, Nvidia... well, even though their kernel module is open, it's not on the mainline kernel, so go fsck.ext2fs yourself".

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#73
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All modern CPUs come with an iGPU, so it's unlikely to be software decoding. Just iGPU driver's decoder being more efficient than dGPU one.

Neither of the last two processors I've purchased in the last few years had any iGPU.

What were the models?

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#74

How is the built-in website translation story in Firefox? To be honest, the only reason I'm forced to use Chrome is the way translate quite seamlessly works, both the detection (with mixed-language content in sites with English ads) and the actual translation. I did try Bergamot but that was a year ago, and the experience was not as good as Chrome...

>How is the built-in website translation story in Firefox?

It's broken.

The button is there and is clickable, and there even is an animation near the address bar, but it doesn't actually do anything.

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were likely saying that 8K displays are way out of budget for most consumers.

Where I live, we have 50 inch 8k TVs for 180 USD.

Do many people use Firefox on 50" 8K TVs as opposed to regular monitors? I wouldn't want such a large display on a computer unless the computer is being used as media server. And my experience when I got new monitors for work about 18 months ago, was that decent ones at higher than 1440p were more expensive than I felt was worth it.

Also, I expect one or more of the following from a 50" 8K TV at that price:

- Bundled with ad/spyware.

- Poor image and/or sound quality.

- Doesn’t last long, or image quality very noticeably degrades after a relatively short amount of use.

I also wonder if perhaps it’s still like back when HD was still new, where TVs would advertise “Full HD”, but were actually only referring to being able to accept a 1080p input signal which they would then downscale to their <720p LCD panels.

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#76
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia drivers on Linux are not really display quality. The effort goes towards CUDA for headless rigs. They work great for AI and that's it. Pair them with an AMD and Intel card for display, graphics and video acceleration. Otherwise you end up with too many cases of booting into a black screen, random software breaking, games not working, bad performance and just jank in general.

> booting into a black screen, random software breaking, games not working, bad performance and just jank in general. That has not been my experience at all, using either the old closed source drivers or the newer "open" drivers. (Note: I am referring to the open source Nvidia kernel drivers, not Nouveau.)

That has been my experience (blank screen and jank). Literally had to pull out the Nvidia card and run on the iGPU for my work because of suspend and resume issues.

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live, we have 50 inch 8k TVs for 180 USD.

Do many people use Firefox on 50" 8K TVs as opposed to regular monitors? I wouldn't want such a large display on a computer unless the computer is being used as media server. And my experience when I got new monitors for work about 18 months ago, was that decent ones at higher than 1440p were more expensive than I felt was worth it. Also, I expect one or more of the following from a 50" 8K TV at that price: - Bundled…

All of that is probably true, but playing YouTube on such a cheap TV is a very valid use-case for Firefox.

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#79
post #21

Cool, have been using vulkan video decoding via mpv for a while now and it seems fine with little or no performance hits. Glad it's made its way here as getting hardware decoding to actually work in ff has felt like a house of cards (more options are welcome). Does something need to be done to enable/switch to it?

The primary advantage of dedicated hardware accelerators for the past ~15 years been power efficiency, rather than performance. Not much of a problem on a desktop, but very noticeable on mobile devices.

[deleted]

Re: Firefox 153 available with support for Vulkan video decoding, JPEG-XL

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have used Linux equally long, Nvidia on my last 3 or 4 systems. They all had problems with very sporadic hard crashes (full system freeze so hard magic sysrq keys don't work, and nothing is visible in the logs. Sometimes with audio looping.) It doesn't happen often , rare enough that I sometimes fooled myself into thinking I'd found and solved the issue. But then 4 months down the road, often with a driver update,…

I have also seen extremely rare cases of Linux freezes exactly like you described, and I have wondered if there can be any relationship between them and the NVIDIA drivers, mainly because they are the only closed-source drivers that I use. Nonetheless, I have not seen any evidence about such a relationship. The freezes never occurred while the computer works alone and some program uses the GPU. In all cases the freez…

I have had this freeze during a model training session too, when the machine was unattended, so I think it may be GPU-related. I thought for the longest time it was power management related. But maybe that was another freeze bug.
Post reply on HN