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As someone that does, I disagree. Laws on this subject should exclusively apply to providers, with exceptions for medical necessity. There are too many harms that come from targeting individuals to be worthwhile.
this case was a self administrated abortion?
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Some would argue there are too many harms that occur if antiabortion measures aren't taken :(
Either argue the point or stop talking. This is a very hard position to take seriously, twee frowny face and all, if you’re willing to sell down the river the privacy of a largely vulnerable population because some sanctimonious humanism. :(
"Last May, EFF reported that a sheriff’s office in Texas searched data from more than 83,000 automated license plate reader (ALPR) cameras to track down a woman suspected of self-managing an abortion." These people really have nothing better to do?
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It is about them feeling good.
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(amazing username.) You assume that a lady getting an abortion is not committing murder--these folks clearly think she is. (We don't need to argue about whether it is in fact murder, or whether if it is that the murder is justified or not--just understand that there are people that believe differently, and apparently they're willing to expend police resources on it.)
> We don't need to argue about whether it is in fact murder That's exactly the problem: we do. Not here , specifically, but if someone's false beliefs have grown to the point that they are hurting others over them, they need to be stopped.
Yes, those people with "false beliefs". Ah, if only we could force everyone to have true beliefs. And it's not against freedom of thought and consciousness, oh no! We're only against actually false beliefs. That, you know, have been proven wrong. Or at least for which the proofs of incorrectness exist that we believe are correct. But since our beliefs true, this is fine.
If rights can be capriciously and arbitrarily curtailed by armed agents of the state while effete judges yeet sternly-worded letters into the void, then those "rights" are worth about as much as the USA's signature on an international treaty. Which is to say, nothing.
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Every minute spent tracking down a lady getting an abortion is a minute not spent tracking down a murderer or a rapist or similar.
As I said, the law is the problem. Since the law demands to track and investigate ladies suspected of destruction of embryos inside their own bodies, the police's direct job is to do just that, even to the detriment of other activities. The police themselves may consider it stupid and counterproductive, but their opinion does not count until the next elections.
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Every minute spent tracking down a lady getting an abortion is a minute not spent tracking down a murderer or a rapist or similar.
> getting an abortion is a minute not spent tracking down a murderer but see, there are people who believe abortion is murder, and perhaps one of the worst forms of murder because of its victim’s extreme innocence since it has not caused any harm in this world.
If rights can be capriciously and arbitrarily curtailed by armed agents of the state while effete judges yeet sternly-worded letters into the void, then those "rights" are worth about as much as the USA's signature on an international treaty. Which is to say, nothing.
You, sir, have a way with words.
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> We don't need to argue about whether it is in fact murder That's exactly the problem: we do. Not here , specifically, but if someone's false beliefs have grown to the point that they are hurting others over them, they need to be stopped.
Do you not realize that this argument applies equally well both against pro-choice and against pro-lifers? It does, therefore it is entirely invalid and irrelevant. Yes, those people with "false beliefs". Ah, if only we could force everyone to have true beliefs. And it's not against freedom of thought and consciousness, oh no! We're only against actually false beliefs. That, you know, have been proven wrong. Or at le…
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Wait you think there are so many exceptions for rape and incest because of the political power of the rape and incest lobby? Holy fuck. Even for someone who has quickly earned a name for himself and his insane takes, this is a strong entry. Bravo, ButlerianJihad!
Think of it this way: Incest is not always consensual, and incest may be intra-family molestation or sexual abuse. In those cases, certainly the "rape exceptions" cover mothers who seek to abort their unborn children. However, incest is not always non-consensual, such as between ordinary adults who just cross a "bright line boundary" and have a sexual affair that they may or may not regret. So is this why there are s…
Contrast with the simple prenatal paternity test.