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Re: The End of Creativity

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Post by skippyfish »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #67
skippyfish wrote: post #18

It's a weird title. AI lets ordinary people feel more creative than before. It's largely an illusion because of the problem outlined in the article: every video, image, blog post, or book written by AI is very same-y, especially if you don't start with a strong vision of your own. But that's not the end of creativity. That's just a net increase in fake creativity. AI doesn't show up at your place and break all your b…

> So I think it will have a negative impact on artists' incomes. Creativity essentially becoming a hobby for already wealthy people isn't exactly "the end of creativity", but it isn't that far from it either.

To be fair, that's what it was for most of history: artists were bankrolled by wealthy patrons, for their own enjoyment. Artists making money by selling directly to consumers is a very recent innovation (although we all grew up in that reality and we're fond of it).

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

m000 wrote: post #39

Culture has been rapidly regressing to a mean long before AI. See e.g. modern cars. Until the mid 00s, you could tell different brands apart from far away. And you could perhaps also tell a few things about the owner from the color. Or movies. The past 20+ years of high-budget film-making has been mostly rehashing franchises and remaking what has already been made. AI is perhaps accelerating the trend and eliminating…

> you could tell different brands apart from far away

This is just the tyranny of air resistance and fuel economy.

Re: The End of Creativity

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Post by overgard »

simondotau wrote: post #69
overgard wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be rare, but it's anything but accidental. Real creative people work hard on it. It's why they find AI so offensive.

I don't mean to be rude, only to provide Vulcan-esque observation. It's my observation that many "real creative" people spend most of their time permutating across a defined landscape of prior creative discoveries, creating derivatives of their own prior work. There's nothing wrong with that (and it's good that they reap the benefits of that) but that's what I mean when I say it's rare. Conversely, AI, in absolutely…

I don't think it's the technology they're threatened by, it's that it's weaponized against them. I know a lot of people in the game industry for example, and this is already an industry run by very greedy people with poor artistic taste. If you give those people the option of "pay a creative person a meager salary for a good result" or "pay openAI for trash but cheap", those people are probably going to choose to pay for trash.

The market will correct for good quality.. eventually, but not before it puts people out of work.

Re: The End of Creativity

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Post by siberean »

This isn't specific to the AI era. Ten years ago these same people would have just Googled it, and never made a video at all. Today they can, and to them that's creativity. You're just seeing a different dimension of it than they are. Creativity isn't gone. It's more in demand precisely because AI regresses to the mean, as you said. People's individual biases become more valuable, not less. I wrote about this: https://substack.com/home/post/p-201247780

Re: The End of Creativity

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Post by simondotau »

overgard wrote: post #73
simondotau wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to be rude, only to provide Vulcan-esque observation. It's my observation that many "real creative" people spend most of their time permutating across a defined landscape of prior creative discoveries, creating derivatives of their own prior work. There's nothing wrong with that (and it's good that they reap the benefits of that) but that's what I mean when I say it's rare. Conversely, AI, in absolutely…

I don't think it's the technology they're threatened by, it's that it's weaponized against them. I know a lot of people in the game industry for example, and this is already an industry run by very greedy people with poor artistic taste. If you give those people the option of "pay a creative person a meager salary for a good result" or "pay openAI for trash but cheap", those people are probably going to choose to pay…

[Meme of astronaut with a gun]

Always has been.

There's nothing new here. Capital and technology have repeatedly been used to replace skilled creative labour with something cheaper, faster, more scalable, or merely "good enough". Offshore animators replacing domestic teams, mass-produced clothing replacing dressmakers and home sewing, MIDI replacing session musicians, digital typesetting replacing sign-writing, and so on. Yes AI will be weaponised against (mostly pseudo-) creative workers, just as capitalism and automation has gutted and decimated hundreds of other (equally or greater) creative industries before it.

The game industry is an extreme example. Large productions now employ veritable armies of people, many doing highly procedural, tightly constrained work absent of any original creative decisions. It's sad for the worker if their jobs are at risk, but it's silly to argue that creativity is being lost.

Quite apart from AI, the AAA game industry has long been in a bubble of over-investment and unsustainable head-counts. That bubble was going to burst one way or another. AI just happens to be the catalyst. But the underlying dynamic of replacing expensive skilled labour with cheaper systems (and accepting a decline in quality when the savings are large enough) is nothing new.

Re: The End of Creativity

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Post by m000 »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #72
m000 wrote: post #39

Culture has been rapidly regressing to a mean long before AI. See e.g. modern cars. Until the mid 00s, you could tell different brands apart from far away. And you could perhaps also tell a few things about the owner from the color. Or movies. The past 20+ years of high-budget film-making has been mostly rehashing franchises and remaking what has already been made. AI is perhaps accelerating the trend and eliminating…

> you could tell different brands apart from far away This is just the tyranny of air resistance and fuel economy.

I think that's only the excuse the car makers use for being lazy and not taking design risks.

Because homogeneity also extends to the interiors (which are not affected by regulations). And of course the offered colors, where we have almost full-circled back to "any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black".

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