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So what you're saying is I have it backward. In the summer, without DST, the sun would rise like an hour earlier than with DST. Is that correct?
Yes. You advance the clock 1 hour. So 06:00 becomes 07:00, so the run rises 1 hour later. So getting rid of DST makes it 06:00 instead of 07:00
Hey, thanks y'all for explaining it to me. :)
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I do live far enough north, which is probably part of the reason "daylight savings" strikes me as a bit silly: no arrangement of clocks can work around the fact that there's not enough sunlight for all we want to do in a winter day. Both getting up before dawn and leaving work after sunset are undesirable, but during midwinter you can't avoid either one. I figure you might as well just learn to deal with the darkness…
The “savings” in “daylight savings” doesn’t refer to the winter part of the schedule. It refers to the summer part, where daylight that occurs during typical “sleeping” hours is “saved” by shifting the clocks so it occurs in the evening instead.
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If you have animals you are up with the sun, nothing about when you want to work.
The “went you want” part was more about in relation to the clock. The sun will rise and fall just the same regardless of how we set our clocks. The farmers are completely unaffected. Their days don’t shift just because the time shifts.
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> Which is better is ultimately subjective Most folks subjectively prefer having light after work because that's when it's more fun to do stuff. Unfortunately, the health impacts are (objectively!) worse under permanent daylight saving time. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7954020/ https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/prevention-wellness/s... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6436388/ (I've heard th…
Most people also prefer to wake up a bit after the sun rises. Daylight Savings approximates having the sun come up at the same time each day. People do not want to wake up in the dark.
I think saying on one time is better than switching back and forth, but we should really stick to Standard time. I know people like it to be light out later in the evenings, but they tried this before in the 1970s and it didn't last long[0]. It turns out not only do people not like it to be dark late into the morning, but it also makes it unsafe for kids going to school. Looking at sunrise and sunset times[1], people…
This is such bullshit.
What is unsafe for kids is human drivers driving their death machines into kids. The solution is not messing with clocks. The solution is convincing human drivers that they should not drive their death machines into kids.
You are presumably based in some location where "standard time" has year-round daylight around the time school starts. Guess what, many people live in locations closer to the poles where this is not the case. What do you do in a location where winter daylight hours are only between (say) 10:00 and 15:00? Have school start later and later, and have school days be shorter and shorter? Do such locations have the sides of their roads littered with child corpses, or do such locations enforce better driving?
Also, even in locations with longer days but all-day school, it's often dark when kids get out of school, especially after any extracurricular activities. At that point it's dark, and the kids are tired after a long school day, and the drivers are also tired after a long day at work. If anything, that would make them even more dangerous. The fact is, for many locations it's simply impossible to enforce that kids only go to and from school in broad daylight. Any problems arising in the dark (not from the dark!) must be solved in other ways than magically wishing for the sun to shine when it simply doesn't.
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Well studies show that early school start times are bad for kids anyway so schools should fix their schedules. Kids also naturally like to stay up later these days so more daylight would better match that rather than keeping awake with artificial light. I also dispute that site's claim that everyone starts before 8am. Here on the west coast I'd say most jobs start at 9am unless they are retail. A lot of schools have…
> Here on the west coast I'd say most jobs start at 9am If you work on things for banks, financial markets or the federal government, you may be starting as early as 5~6am on the west coast.
This is a bad change. I think it’s bad for kids to have to walk to school before sunrise. Fundamentally it is useful to have more sunlight later in the evenings in the summer. It’s also useful to have sunlight early enough in the morning for conventional “start of day” times. Changing the clocks meets these. Yes, time is arbitrary and throughout the year we could collectively change the times we do things at to bette…
Great. This will break every last log, timestamp, and record everywhere. We don't need any of that. I remember this exact debate going on in the south pacific in 2007.
This is a bad change. I think it’s bad for kids to have to walk to school before sunrise. Fundamentally it is useful to have more sunlight later in the evenings in the summer. It’s also useful to have sunlight early enough in the morning for conventional “start of day” times. Changing the clocks meets these. Yes, time is arbitrary and throughout the year we could collectively change the times we do things at to bette…
There are plenty of northern climate countries that get by just fine without DST. Also, if it’s genuinely a problem in a specific location for some reason, that specific location can just say, “Let’s all start work at 9 rather than 8 for the winter months” rather than impose an absolutely absurd song and dance on the entire time zone.
As I said before, changing the clocks is a much more efficient approach than getting every school and workplace (etc) to change their hours.
It’s not true IMO that “plenty” of northern countries do without it. Russia doesn’t (since 2014) but their time zones are a mess anyway. Iceland doesn’t. Otherwise pretty much every European country does.
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There are plenty of northern climate countries that get by just fine without DST. Also, if it’s genuinely a problem in a specific location for some reason, that specific location can just say, “Let’s all start work at 9 rather than 8 for the winter months” rather than impose an absolutely absurd song and dance on the entire time zone.
The majority of the US population lives at latitudes that would be affected by the “sun rises after 8am in winter” problem. As I said before, changing the clocks is a much more efficient approach than getting every school and workplace (etc) to change their hours. It’s not true IMO that “plenty” of northern countries do without it. Russia doesn’t (since 2014) but their time zones are a mess anyway. Iceland doesn’t. O…
Not 100% sure on those stats. They come from AI, and I only spot-checked it. But yeah. Most northern climate countries do currently have DST.