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EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

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Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#71
post #66

Each passing day we are moving closer to a dystopian state and nobody is doing anything.

People are doing something (e.g. [0][1][2]). That’s why Chat Control 2.0 hasn’t passed and is unlikely to pass in the foreseeable future.

[0] https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

[1] https://edri.org/our-work/european-commission-must-uphold-pr...

[2] https://freiheitsrechte.org/en/themen/freiheit-im-digitalen-...

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#72

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If you are purist and you don't live in the real world with real evils. I don't want pedophiles to have privacy.

> I don't want pedophiles to have privacy. that is why police already have access to mechanisms to remove privacy from people suspected of being a pedophile.

The existing mechanisms are inadequate or not fit for 2026. Hence this discussion.

You are agreeing with me :)

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want pedophiles to have privacy. that is why police already have access to mechanisms to remove privacy from people suspected of being a pedophile.

The existing mechanisms are inadequate or not fit for 2026. Hence this discussion. You are agreeing with me :)

>You are agreeing with me :)

i am absolutely not :)

you want to provide unfettered warrantless access to all of your communications. ive been fighting against that sort of thing for approaching 40 years now.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#76
post #17

I don't understand the EU's position on privacy. On the one hand, they enacted GDPR to give you control over access to your personal data. On the other, they need access to all of your data.

Not "access to ALL of your data". Also, as confusing as it might be, it is in the nature of EU (at least IMHO) to not have a clear position over multiple legislatures.

This is a wedge.

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The name "Chat Control" is great because it implies a lockdown on free speech and the exact consequences that are going to happen to everyone.

I think the name is meaningless to the average layman, therefore useless. Something like "(private) chat police" would probably transmit what this is about but is not as catchy.

I think that framing would be much more vulnerable to companies saying "no no, there's no human reading your chats, we just want to apply these fixed filters".

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#78
post #16

The Chat Control 1.0 rule is simply that organisations like Meta are allowed to scan messages if they want to. In other words your Facebook messages are not private from Facebook. Surely we already knew and expected that. Chat Control 2.0 is the worrying one because it mandates scanning and bans E2EE. These two things should not have both been given the same branding.

Yes but that's how all of these objectionable legislations are introduced - first it's voluntary, then they wait a bit and say "companies aren't doing it, we'll need to make it mandatory".

Easier to push through if the only thing they're changing is "may" to "must".

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#79
post #8

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Car could also become judge and executioner. Swift justice is just one curve away

Drive you straight to prison

America is leading the way on that one:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2026/07/two-teens-learn-the-har...

Re: EU now one step away from reviving private message scanning rules

#80
post #17

I don't understand the EU's position on privacy. On the one hand, they enacted GDPR to give you control over access to your personal data. On the other, they need access to all of your data.

It seems fairly consistent, doesn't it? CC 2.0 is that the government must be able to access things, and GDPR has a legal basis exemption that is defacto used every time by government entities. The general idea is that private parties cannot consent to things to each other but that residents of a place consent to being governed by the government. e.g. you can't consent to having someone jail you; but you also can't opt out of jail by the government.

Personally, the politics of Europe is really not for me, but I can see why others might find it attractive. In the end, history will show us which path is adaptive.

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