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DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by mmooss »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #35
mmooss wrote: post #29

Ironically, it's not just the ineffectuallity of the DOJ (intentional, in that case), it's the ineffectuality of the political competition, the Democratic Party, to hold the GOP accountable. The Dems inability to cash in on these things is so absurd that people just accept it: The Trump administration and GOP are letting a company get away with contaminating baby formula . That should be repeated by the Dems from now…

The Supreme Court gave Trump immunity, stymieing Democratic attempts at holding him accountable for crimes he was accused of in his first presidency. Holding him accountable this time would require some workaround for the Supreme Court.

That is legal accountability. I am talking about political accountability: When Trump or the GOP do something awful, the Democrats are unable to score points on it. In the reverse situation, the GOP is very good at it.

When the GOP screws up, they should be losing votes and reputation. The Dems have failed to do that.

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by mmooss »

throwawaypath wrote: post #39
mmooss wrote: post #29

Ironically, it's not just the ineffectuallity of the DOJ (intentional, in that case), it's the ineffectuality of the political competition, the Democratic Party, to hold the GOP accountable. The Dems inability to cash in on these things is so absurd that people just accept it: The Trump administration and GOP are letting a company get away with contaminating baby formula . That should be repeated by the Dems from now…

>The Dems inability to cash in on these things is so absurd that people just accept it All the Dems have to do is kick the DEI/woke, open borders, etc. contingent out of their party and "cashing in" will commence.

All Dems have to do is abandon their principles and priorities, and conservatives will like them. I don't think that will work.

> open borders

You tip yourself off as someone consuming political propaganda. Nobody of any prominence or influence in the Democratic Party advocates or has advocated for 'open borders'. The only place I hear that is from people who watch Fox News, etc.

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Post by cindyllm »

mmooss wrote: post #72
throwawaypath wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Dems inability to cash in on these things is so absurd that people just accept it All the Dems have to do is kick the DEI/woke, open borders, etc. contingent out of their party and "cashing in" will commence.

All Dems have to do is abandon their principles and priorities, and conservatives will like them. I don't think that will work. > open borders You tip yourself off as someone consuming political propaganda. Nobody of any prominence or influence in the Democratic Party advocates or has advocated for 'open borders'. The only place I hear that is from people who watch Fox News, etc.

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Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by Sabinus »

sculper wrote: post #55
solid_fuel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This urge to defend the indefensible and “both sides” the most corrupt administration in American history is exactly the problem. Go take a look in the mirror.

Worth noting that the commenter you're replying to is only LARPing as a centrist. The comment history of his other (now-banned) accounts are directly at odds with some of the "truths" he claims to have realized. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=complianceowl https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=owlcompliance

But why is he obfuscating so much? What motivates one to lie about their own politics for so long?

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Post by br0ceph »

bdavisx wrote: post #42
ourmandave wrote: post #14

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When you view it through the lens of Graft First, everything makes sense. All the seeming stupidity, ineptitude, and hypocrisy is just to make a buck. Governing doesn't even appear to be an afterthought. I still haven't figured out how he's profiting from Trump Accounts yet. Kick backs I suppose.

>I still haven't figured out how he's profiting from Trump Accounts yet I would guess that he could have been paid in many various ways (TrumpCoins anyone) by financial institution(s) that were set to benefit from the accounts. Have the trump crypto companies followed all of the KYC laws?

exactly, the trading kartels could kick back money, but also just funneling taxes into the market is a rising tide for the overall market

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Post by burnt-resistor »

mindslight wrote: post #12
sandworm101 wrote: post #11

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Pro rich people crimes. They remain very much against poor people who break the law.

I don't think this quite captures it. The "Dual State" concept seems much more on point. https://www.thefunsinthefight.com/p/welcome-to-the-dual-stat...

It's even more nuanced than that. Vaguely, there are 3 caste buckets:

- A privileged state - for the rich and powerful to get away with crimes

- A normative state - for ordinary people whom experience more prosecutions

- A prerogative state - for poor and enemies whom experience arbitrary injustice and persecution for infractions or made-up crimes

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by burnt-resistor »

expedition32 wrote: post #70
josefritzishere wrote: post #2

The administration seems to be pro-crime, which is very problematic.

Only if you support Trump. Americans seem to have no spine or ego so bow down to your god emperor I suppose.

Many average Russians and Americans share the features of indoctrinated learned helplessness. They live on their knees and are unwilling to face reality because their lifestyle and/or salary may depend on it.

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

skeledrew wrote: post #17
sandworm101 wrote: post #11

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Pro rich people crimes. They remain very much against poor people who break the law.

To be poor is a crime.

You know, I wasn't raised poor but I was mentally ill from the very beginning, and somehow I always identified/sympathized with the poor more than anyone else; perhaps I aspired or expected to be poor, and poor is what I became.

When you're poor, you can't help but be immersed in rebellion and discontent. Every song on the radio, every free TV show, every buddy at the dive bar is talking trash about your leadership and the powers that be. There was never any way for me to avoid the voices that hated everything I stood for, from the beginning, and basically being immersed in rebellion led me to intense self-hatred and a losing/denial of my own identity, as if I ever had it.

And that's really problematic for the poor of today, who can get really immersed in global geopolitics, and exposed to all sorts of social media glurge, and being poor, they cannot really find escape from the "free to consume" media at every turn, and so the poor tend to be couch-potatoes who are fed by the television sets and YouTube and Facebook feeds, and eventually most of us drown in lies, and fake news, and bitter rebellion against every authority.

Re: DOJ Closing Abbott Labs Case Spurs Wider Corporate Crime Retreat

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

eunos wrote: post #3

> criminal case against Abbott Laboratories over contaminated baby formula In Communist China they would be shot

That depends on whether the baby formula was destined for the domestic market to nourish good Chinese babies, or whether it was destined for export to the foreigners, right?

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Post by pavel_lishin »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #30
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13

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> here in America, sometimes CEOs get shot as well No, they don't. The UnitedHealth dude who got shot had a CEO title, but Thompson was ultimately a middle manager. The actual CEO of UnitedHealth Group–the one who signs off on its financial statements and fields quarterly calls–and the billionaire owners were fine. Which explains, in part, why nothing changed after the shooting.

You're implying that something would have changed if a different person was shot instead. Structural problems don't work like that. The individual players have the incentives created for them by the system. To change it you need to change the game, not the players.

It would have changed if healthcare CEOs kept getting shot.

One getting shot is an anomaly; if one were being shot every week, then the system they operate under would be different.

(To be clear: I am not advocating for changing the system in this way. A world ruled by vigilante justice is not a good world to live in.)

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