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Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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>> Further validating our finding of targeting, our forensic analysis shows Kouloglou received multiple Apple threat notifications about targeting with mercenary spyware on three occasions: March 2, 2023, August 29, 2023, and April 10, 2024. It is important to note that threat notifications from Apple and other companies are not real-time alerts. They are typically sent to users in batches, often months or more after…

That seems to be the case, although he claims to have somehow missed them. Overall this is one of those stories that's obviously an outrage, except for the fact that every country on Earth spies on the rest, and quite a few private entities do as well. Still the way the game is played if you get caught you have to act ashamed, and the people catching you get to gloat. It's silly, but it's a show the public never tire…

> every country on Earth spies on the rest,

It's entirely possible an EU country did this; they're only vaguely guessing Belarus or whoever. In most countries, it's a big deal if the spies are caught spying on the domestic government.

> quite a few private entities do as well.

It's a risky game, doing that. You don't get any of the professional courtesies, and you're not usually eligible for the prisoner exchanges.

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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> The US does not spy on Five Eyes government leadership or that of Israel. Doubt. > unless there was a compelling national security reason There always is.

> Doubt Can you substantiate your doubt with even one piece of hard evidence?

Can you substantiate your certainty with anything other than the public statements of people whose job is to lie about things like that?

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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If I could deploy Pegasus to randoms, I probably would. Wouldn’t do anything with it, but it’d be a cool project

You would probably have to pay for it and wouldn’t then waste the opportunity on random targets without an expected payout, right?

> you would probably have to pay for it

_probably_ is doing the heavy lifting here

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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Pro tip: if you’re going to try a propoganda - don’t be so transparent on your redirect.

if you believe that the parent comment is propaganda, would you care to share why exactly you believe that the average european citizen benefits from mass surveillance funnelled through american channels?

Two things can be true. The most compelling redirects refocus the conversation on another truth.

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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I wonder if we can forensically analyze our own phones to see if some nutjob with Pegasus has targeted us as well.

How many nutjobs with Pegasus are really running around out there?

Too many. By which I mean "more than zero". And yes, I'm including nation states as "nutjobs" for the purposes of this calculation.

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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if you believe that the parent comment is propaganda, would you care to share why exactly you believe that the average european citizen benefits from mass surveillance funnelled through american channels?

Two things can be true. The most compelling redirects refocus the conversation on another truth.

the average person isnt taught to handle cognitive dissonance, maybe thats why lying by omission is such an effective propaganda technique. thank you for clarifying your perspective

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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US does spy on Five Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_espionage_in_Aus... "In December 2010, leaked US diplomatic cables indicated senior New Zealand Defence Ministry officials had been spying for the United States, secretly briefing the United States embassy on Cabinet discussions about the Iraq War." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_espionage_in_New_Zeala...

That’s pre-Snowden

Nothing has changed post-Snowden, other than that the general public have gone back into a state of apathy on the subject of reigning in their out of control surveillance state.

Re: Espionage Against the European Parliament

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> Doubt Can you substantiate your doubt with even one piece of hard evidence?

Sure. The NSA exists, and it routinely violates the rights of the USA's own citizens, the ones that actually have constitutional rights. The idea that it would suddenly draw the line on foreigners is just absurd.

It violates everyones’ human rights - not just the US’ own citizens - because human rights are universal whether some American thinks it or not.
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