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Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by NoSalt »

cf100clunk wrote: post #10
NoSalt wrote: post #8

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I, for one, do not wish to smell my malodorous coworkers - who have walked or cycled to work and are all sweaty - all day. I already have one of them and it makes me want to vomit.

There are ways to gently inform the person(s) of your discomfort. If communicated well, it can be settled. In one case I dealt with, body odour of someone on my team was causing another person distress, but some gentle, kind advice (yes, it was embarrassing as hell so we did it in private) and a quick trip by him to the shops for some deodorant resolved the problem almost instantly. Here's hoping.

Why should the onus be on me when they are the disgusting ones and the employers are at fault for not offering showers?

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by NoSalt »

nicbou wrote: post #18
NoSalt wrote: post #8

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I, for one, do not wish to smell my malodorous coworkers - who have walked or cycled to work and are all sweaty - all day. I already have one of them and it makes me want to vomit.

There are many ways to avoid this. The problem is your co-worker, not cyclists.

If you mean showers, then you can forget it. I have NEVER worked at a place that offered showers. Plus, along with the extra commute time of walking or cycling, a shower adds another ≈ 20 minutes that I am not doing what I prefer ... which is not working.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by NoSalt »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #19
NoSalt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, for one, do not wish to smell my malodorous coworkers - who have walked or cycled to work and are all sweaty - all day. I already have one of them and it makes me want to vomit.

Man if only there was a solution to this. It's almost as if we could design our environment to minimize this (bike- and pedestrian-friendly routes) and then deal with the aftermath if it happens anyway (showers). I do not consider employers that do not offer showers.

I have NEVER worked at a place that offered showers. Plus, along with the extra commute time of walking or cycling, a shower adds another ≈ 20 minutes that I am not doing what I prefer ... which is not working.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by NoSalt »

vel0city wrote: post #44
NoSalt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, for one, do not wish to smell my malodorous coworkers - who have walked or cycled to work and are all sweaty - all day. I already have one of them and it makes me want to vomit.

Yeah, we need to further normalize and require people never spending any time outside. I'm sure that'll go well for our society. The world will be great once we wealthy people move to the giant dome cities where we can rid ourselves of the requirements of being outside from time to time.

I am all in favor of going outside ... just don't bring a stink into the workplace.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by fuzzy2 »

NoSalt wrote: post #73
fuzzy2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man if only there was a solution to this. It's almost as if we could design our environment to minimize this (bike- and pedestrian-friendly routes) and then deal with the aftermath if it happens anyway (showers). I do not consider employers that do not offer showers.

I have NEVER worked at a place that offered showers. Plus, along with the extra commute time of walking or cycling, a shower adds another ≈ 20 minutes that I am not doing what I prefer ... which is not working.

To each their own, of course, but: If you're within a 1-hour walking or cycling radius (and you have access to showers at your destination), this is no problem at all. Plus, the mental and physical health benefits are simply incredible.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by buellerbueller »

Bender wrote: post #29
buellerbueller wrote: post #25

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I guess once someone is a felon, they should never be allowed income? You might be right to criticize the company itself, but is their specific felonious behavior problematic (if so, you haven't spelled that out)? The way you say it, just the fact of them being felons is the problem.

Perhaps not managing AI camera systems that track children. There are plenty of other career options.

>There are plenty of other career options.

No, not really, for felons.

>Perhaps not managing AI camera systems that track children.

Literal think of the children lol.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by rationalist »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #20

Yes, this is concerning. But there's also the other side. Some of the little miscreants who shared my bus ride were positively nasty. Some surveillance would have helped a number of people avoid bullying.

> surveillance would have helped a number of people avoid bullying.

Just like cameras at the bank prevent bank robberies?

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by rationalist »

arjie wrote: post #31

The existence of a license plate indicates that motor vehicle travel is not intended to be untrackable. That makes sense since these are powerful devices. It seems like a fair trade off since a motor vehicle provides many benefits but also high risk.

Identifying ≠ tracking

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by rationalist »

jeffbee wrote: post #68
jtbayly wrote: post #55

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The existence of IDs indicates that people are not intended to be untrackable, whether on or offline. This is a fair trade off, because… By your logic, there can be no argument against universal web tracking, let alone universal purchase tracking, etc.

No, that's ridiculous. The number plate on a car is explicitly designed to be read from a great distance, to achieve public policy goals that offset the large and many social costs of cars. The function of the license plate is to identify the vehicle under real traffic conditions at a distance of at least 100 feet, day or night. Whatever identifying documents you may choose to carry do not have that same function.

Identifying ≠ tracking

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Post by em-bee »

dismalaf wrote: post #56
cf100clunk wrote: post #24

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That point-of-view doesn't soothe anyone alarmed by expansion of warrantless law enforcement surveillance.

Anyone can record anything in public in the US, for better or worse. Change the laws if you think it's a problem.

laws are changed by recognizing that people are unhappy with the current ones. people show that by being alarmed about things they are unhappy with.
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