The US Used to Demand the Best Tech. Now We Ban It

Post by socalgal2 » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 10:29 PM UTC

Telemakhos wrote: post #50

JimsonYang wrote: post #29

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Youre right, i forgot to add 4) europeans are environemtally conscious Americans however like their gas guzzling F150s. The reason I did the original comment was I know for a time the major car companies did a huge push into EVs. Like the ford 150 lightning, chevy bolt and mustang mach E. But they stopped manufacturing them due to weakened sales and profitability. Its a vicious feedback loop of consumer adoption, hig…

> Americans however like their gas guzzling F150s. Pickup trucks have always made up between 10% and 20% of vehicles on the road in America; it's the SUV that has picked up from next to nothing in 1980 to almost half of all new vehicles now, while the sedan has plunged from 80% to about 25% of new vehicles today. A big part of that transition to larger SUVs (which are not F150s) was the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel E…

Post by socalgal2 » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 10:36 PM UTC

malshe wrote: post #38

I've said this before and I will say it again. I don't see any problem in allowing Chinese cars in the US if China manufactures them here under a 49:51 joint venture with an American company. Also, I'm not sure how long CCP will keep on bankrolling their car companies. They are now competing with each other pushing the profits lower. Over the last year BYD stock is down 40%. Take a look at their auto manufacturers in…

Post by tmpz22 » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 10:41 PM UTC

WarmWash wrote: post #68

rgbrenner wrote: post #34

US bans are based on the incorrect idea that we have control over AI. But the ban only reduces the most advanced model available from US companies. Models from other countries continue development. It's as if the US decided to hit pause on competing on AI and we're just going to let someone else win it. The US could be using these models to fix bugs and defend out systems.. but instead, we're all waiting for open sou…

The public will get ~5.5 level models. Private industry will essentially get ITAR access to better models, and other countries will get 5.5 with maybe some select partners getting access. Its totally sensible that the US will keep strong AI to itself to boost its own industry. (ITAR is a very low bar, but you need to be a citizen and your employer must fill out some forms.)

Post by CamperBob2 » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 10:44 PM UTC

WarmWash wrote: post #68

rgbrenner wrote: post #34

US bans are based on the incorrect idea that we have control over AI. But the ban only reduces the most advanced model available from US companies. Models from other countries continue development. It's as if the US decided to hit pause on competing on AI and we're just going to let someone else win it. The US could be using these models to fix bugs and defend out systems.. but instead, we're all waiting for open sou…

The public will get ~5.5 level models. Private industry will essentially get ITAR access to better models, and other countries will get 5.5 with maybe some select partners getting access. Its totally sensible that the US will keep strong AI to itself to boost its own industry. (ITAR is a very low bar, but you need to be a citizen and your employer must fill out some forms.)

Post by danmaz74 » Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 10:58 PM UTC

WarmWash wrote: post #68

rgbrenner wrote: post #34

US bans are based on the incorrect idea that we have control over AI. But the ban only reduces the most advanced model available from US companies. Models from other countries continue development. It's as if the US decided to hit pause on competing on AI and we're just going to let someone else win it. The US could be using these models to fix bugs and defend out systems.. but instead, we're all waiting for open sou…

The public will get ~5.5 level models. Private industry will essentially get ITAR access to better models, and other countries will get 5.5 with maybe some select partners getting access. Its totally sensible that the US will keep strong AI to itself to boost its own industry. (ITAR is a very low bar, but you need to be a citizen and your employer must fill out some forms.)