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Sadly yes, wish we'd just told them to fuck off and make a deal with China, they are the future - but we seem to be very scared of daddy.
Why, so China can copy the technology and produce their one 5 years later?
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> But subsidizing with what? They don't have a magic money tree. They do though. The advantage of state capitalism is that at anytime you can switch from a fully capitalist economy, where the market is everywhere save the family cell, to a statist economy where the state decides what goes where, to anything in between. If the CCP says 'retirement won't be paid in RMB but in foodstuffs for everyone, and the funds are…
Right - but means of production can't be created and destroyed from nothing. Proper centrally planned economies all thought it could and failed. China is much more free at moving them from one place to another, in particular allocating them differently to the hedonistic preferences of their citizens. But it's still only moving not creating. For now it seems, the thing that needs to give is the workers' consumption. W…
But they are not the only way, you can go back to a more autarkical model for the rural population, or to a more directed economy like during WW2, or a mix of both. Also, if i want to be exact, i don't think China is totally capitalist yet anyway, you still have rural villages that does not allocate all resources through the market.
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>The answer is, of course, yes. No, not in this case. > I remember when their cars were a joke, and when their cellphones were cheap trash. Any country can make cars and phones now if they REALLY want to, they just don't because they wouldn't be competitive on the global market at performance and at scale. But not anyone can just make an EUV machine if they want to. Becoming a leader in commodity white goods like a p…
This is a Manhattan Project-level endeavour, and most countries would not be capable of it. China, however, is. Even though it lacks the expertise to do all these specific things to the Western cutting edge level right now, it has the resources, the overall technology and engineering base, and the determination to achieve the goal with the full power of the Chinese economy behind it. Not to mention industrial espiona…
Where's the proof in that? China can't even create jet engines that outperform dated soviet designs even when they bought their IP. Some things are just almost impossible to do without the right people at the right time, and you can spend virtually unlimited money and still never get there.
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Why, so China can copy the technology and produce their one 5 years later?
Its not impossible but If it was that easy the Americans and Taiwanese would have already done that.
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"What is there to stop them?" Washington for sure is trying their very best and has so far been quite successful.
The US has successfully stopped them from acquiring the machines. That's not the same as stopping them from acquiring the capability to make them. On the contrary.
The answer is, of course, yes. What is there to stop them? Sure, it's difficult -- but where there's a will, and where the resources of China are involved, there is most assuredly a way. I remember when their cars were a joke, and when their cellphones were cheap trash. Now I don't think I'd buy a non-Chinese new car or cellphone, lol.
Their cars and phones are still second rate. They are, however, cheap enough to be good value.
as for the cars, I'd agree maybe compared to most western brands, but the question is whether is worth paying 30-100% extra for only slightly better western car
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"Most of [IP of ASML] comes from US" is an extremely generous sentence. It is true those companies you referred to were bought and their IP has helped ASML in _EUV_, but they had 20 years of European IP before that, all related other parts of the lithography machine (and not EUV) that made ASML the company it is. If you think that complexity is only in (light) source for EUV (is it already profitable for ASML, by the…
> but they had 20 years of European IP before that, all related other parts of the lithography machine (and not EUV) that made ASML the company it is. Was any of that 20 year old European DUV lithography machine IP superior to the IP from the other DUV champions, Canon and Nikon?
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> Their cars and phones are still second rate So are modern Western cars - and arguably also phones. If I'm forced to drive in a bug-riddled impossible-to-repair privacy-invading spaceship either way, why would I go for the overpriced outdated Western one rather than the affordable innovative Chinese one? I would prefer a boring 2000s car with an electric drivetrain, but it's not like anyone is making them...
About privacy invasion, it works for all countries in the world. Vendor-lock is quite high, possibly higher in the US. Look at iPhone, hardware is behind, restricted, unauditable privacy and questionable software in terms of performance (especially starting iOS 26, where you lost the choice for Liquid Glass). Impossible to reasonably sync AirPods or watches, Macbook or choose the firmware version. In comparison, the…
btw after one pixel with swollen battery I'm never buying one again, but I have to admit they have great cameras, reasonable dimensions and easily unlockable bootloader, sadly it's wrote pointless with faulty unreliable hardware and shit bare bone software