Not sure what he means with "2000€ share capital", which allegedly is locked. Typically, you can spend your "Stammkapital" for business purposes (e.g. in a GmbH). It doesn't need to stay in your bank account.
Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
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Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#72Before Europe gets lumped in as one country, founding a company in Netherlands and Sweden, speaking from personal experience, is a breeze. Although Sweden is a bit strange in the fact that banks have as much equal say as the government authority does in you starting a company, and if they don't want you as a customer, they can simply deny the right for your company to start!
Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's that different from pointing out that registering and/or operating a company in e.g. Delaware or Texas is a very different experience from doing so in New York.
It didn't actually click for me until this post that there was an actual US State called Delaware. I just thought it was a type of company.
Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#74Before Europe gets lumped in as one country, founding a company in Netherlands and Sweden, speaking from personal experience, is a breeze. Although Sweden is a bit strange in the fact that banks have as much equal say as the government authority does in you starting a company, and if they don't want you as a customer, they can simply deny the right for your company to start!
Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#75Been there too. Paying thousands of € for a notary just to read some text you wrote out loud to you is absurd. The cherry on top is the exit tax: > And no, I could not just leave instead. My first company, Freshflow, is valuable enough that walking out of Germany would trigger a massive six-figure exit tax, on gains I have not even realised, purely for the privilege of leaving. This is ostensibly there to prevent lar…
Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#76The only way to start a company in Germany is Societas Europaea and have lawyer parents. Otherwise don't bother.
Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#77But notably in OP's case, most of the time is actually spent with the lawyer and tax advisor, no the bureaucracy itself. The more complicated company structure (Ug & Co KG is basically one company (an UG) owning another (a KG), giving a very similar structure to an UG at a slight tax advantage), doesn't help, but it's really not where the majority of the time here is lost (it probably does account for about half of the money though)
Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
He wanted to go all out and maximise "company form". Same as optimizing your website for hundred of thousands of visitors even if you have only like one hundred visitors...
You get one chance at getting your company form right. Any other new chance costs a ton of money in restructuring. Software is malleable, companies are less so.
So, if I started a sole proprietorship, it is not possible to convert it to a full blown, privately held corporation in Germany?
Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#79Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice
#80For information: GmbH & Co. KG is one of the most complicated forms an company can be founded, the same goes if the inner company is an UG. Many things have to be done twice. The only good thing is that an investor or an owner are not liable with their private money.
He wanted to go all out and maximise "company form". Same as optimizing your website for hundred of thousands of visitors even if you have only like one hundred visitors...
That’s the bare minimum consideration for a viable company structure.