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Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

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Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#71
post #28

Not sure what he means with "2000€ share capital", which allegedly is locked. Typically, you can spend your "Stammkapital" for business purposes (e.g. in a GmbH). It doesn't need to stay in your bank account.

The blog post does not read as written by someone who has understood the whole legal process, maybe that's where your confusion comes from.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#72
post #8

Before Europe gets lumped in as one country, founding a company in Netherlands and Sweden, speaking from personal experience, is a breeze. Although Sweden is a bit strange in the fact that banks have as much equal say as the government authority does in you starting a company, and if they don't want you as a customer, they can simply deny the right for your company to start!

Same in Belgium. Easy peasy. Took no time at all.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's that different from pointing out that registering and/or operating a company in e.g. Delaware or Texas is a very different experience from doing so in New York.

It didn't actually click for me until this post that there was an actual US State called Delaware. I just thought it was a type of company.

Sure, a Delaware Corporation, like a Long Island Iced Tea.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#74
post #8

Before Europe gets lumped in as one country, founding a company in Netherlands and Sweden, speaking from personal experience, is a breeze. Although Sweden is a bit strange in the fact that banks have as much equal say as the government authority does in you starting a company, and if they don't want you as a customer, they can simply deny the right for your company to start!

I've also done it both in Sweden and the Netherlands. Sweden is a breeze if you have BankID, sure (and as you said, if the bank likes you). The Netherlands wasn't exactly a breeze — I had to book a face-to-face appointment with KVK and all the slots in Amsterdam were taken, so I took the train about an hour away.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#75

Been there too. Paying thousands of € for a notary just to read some text you wrote out loud to you is absurd. The cherry on top is the exit tax: > And no, I could not just leave instead. My first company, Freshflow, is valuable enough that walking out of Germany would trigger a massive six-figure exit tax, on gains I have not even realised, purely for the privilege of leaving. This is ostensibly there to prevent lar…

You can delay the exit tax until the sale of the company , if your move is within the EU.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#77
Going from the scheduled notary appointment to having the first company registered comes out to 17 days in the timeline. 24 days if you add the time for getting the notary appointment. From experience, getting your tax id will take another four weeks or so, depending on your local tax authority. OP is still in that four week window, starting from the point where the paperwork was filed. So about 2 months total of processes you can't speed up.

But notably in OP's case, most of the time is actually spent with the lawyer and tax advisor, no the bureaucracy itself. The more complicated company structure (Ug & Co KG is basically one company (an UG) owning another (a KG), giving a very similar structure to an UG at a slight tax advantage), doesn't help, but it's really not where the majority of the time here is lost (it probably does account for about half of the money though)

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#78
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wanted to go all out and maximise "company form". Same as optimizing your website for hundred of thousands of visitors even if you have only like one hundred visitors...

You get one chance at getting your company form right. Any other new chance costs a ton of money in restructuring. Software is malleable, companies are less so.

I am not familiar with German business entity structures, so this is very interesting.

So, if I started a sole proprietorship, it is not possible to convert it to a full blown, privately held corporation in Germany?

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#80
post #2

For information: GmbH & Co. KG is one of the most complicated forms an company can be founded, the same goes if the inner company is an UG. Many things have to be done twice. The only good thing is that an investor or an owner are not liable with their private money.

He wanted to go all out and maximise "company form". Same as optimizing your website for hundred of thousands of visitors even if you have only like one hundred visitors...

If the parent comment is correct and this form is necessary for personal financial protection, I wouldn’t consider that “all out”.

That’s the bare minimum consideration for a viable company structure.

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