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Apple - Think Twice

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Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by lgbr »

meaty wrote: post #24

I wouldn't buy another Apple product either. Between a MacBook Pro which caught fire, an AirPort which melted, an iMac which the backlight went on and a MacBook which had to go back 4 times (!) due to logic board problems, it scares the shit out of me parting with that sort of cash and actually depending on it. The muppets at the "genius bar" (retard shelf as we call it now) aren't exactly helpful and usher you away…

I've been doing the exact same thing for years. I now use a T61p. It's amazing that these things are around $200 on eBay. The Linux support is fantastic, and the laptop is powerful enough to even brand new games. The 1920x1200 resolution yields 147 PPI, which is as high as laptops go without getting Apple's retina display. I like having a fast laptop that I really don't have to fiddle with and costs a small fraction of what you buy an MBP for. And my warranty plan? If a laptop breaks (this has never happened, mind you), a replacement laptop is less than the cost of AppleCare itself.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by michael_miller »

I can't help but think that the majority of comments here are the loud minority. Apple's products have had faults, I'll be the first to admit. But do we really think that even 5% of Apple's millions of customers are having issues with their purchases? If that were the case, we'd see class action lawsuits against the company, the NYTimes/WSJ covering Apple's shoddy manufacturing processes, and Apple's reputation taking an enormous hit. I've seen none of the above. To the contrary, articles covering Apple's manufacturing process, while critical of labor, seem to show a very well-managed ship, with little tolerance for errors or defects.

I'm also taken aback by the harsh tone of the comments:

"Ahh yes the unibody which is basically a fucking big short circuit, hence why mine caught fire."

"Fuck everything about this."

"it scares the shit out of me parting with that sort of cash and actually depending on it"

It's a little disappointing to see these hyperbolic comments on a site I normally associate with an educated, smart, logically-thinking group of people.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by kmfrk »

bitcartel wrote: post #63

The moral of the story? Hope that your Apple computer ships with Samsung components so you get a better display and a faster SSD.

You can dodge the SSD problem by buying a laptop with some specific SSD sizes. I did the same to dodge the issue, but I can't remember which worked. Anandtech has it covered, though.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by enraged_camel »

Apple haters have really come out of the woodwork today.

The fact of the matter is that every first-gen product has had and will have issues regardless of the manufacturer. Apple just gets a lot of flak because they manufacture some of the best products out there and are very vocal about it. So the moment they make a slip, they get stoned by haters who were waiting in ambush.

I, too, have had some bad experiences with a few Apple products I've owned. My first iPad had two dead pixels, and my first MBA had a keyboard key not work intermittently. The staff at the Apple Store next to my campus were absolute retards about both issues. Instead of writing an angry blog post about it, you know what I did? I took my defective items to another Apple store, where they got fixed/replaced immediately.

Then again, I'm a practical person and am generally more interested in getting shit done. I understand some people are more interested in raising a ruckus for attention.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by Breakthrough »

michael_miller wrote: post #62
arrrg wrote: post #22

Fuck everything about this. I had two screen replaced, luckily before Apple came up with this idiotic test. On the second replacement I lucked out and got a Samsung screen that doesn’t have the issue. But that they still have not solved that problem that is plain as day fucking sucks! What is wrong with those idiots?! Why do they do stuff like that? It makes my blood boil. Apple, fuck you! Why do you do this to your…

With all due respect, you have to keep in mind that Apple is producing millions of units and, for its own sake, can't be beholden to a single supplier. If they were, that supplier would have enormous leverage ("pay us $5b now, or we will stop shipping you screens for your flagship laptop."). Aside from that, they'd also be susceptible to production issues - imagine if Samsung's factory had a fire/flood/hurricane and…

You have absolutely no concept of the difference between "leverage" and "extortion", the latter of which is exactly what you described. Last I checked, not only is extorting your customers bad for business, it's probably illegal. That being said, I'm going to dare throw an anti-Apple comment in here: after all the BS Apple's pulled in the past few years, I'm sure most people in the world wouldn't blink twice if Samsung did try to pull something like that (how would you feel if one of your clients tried to sue you?). Fortunately, I think Samsung is smart enough to not pull a stunt like that.

And for what it's worth - "[...] Supply chain management at Apple's scale is unbelievably hard." How do you think Samsung feels?

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by chaz »

I've bought a MBP every year for 6 years. I spend so much time on them that it's absolutely worth it to get increased performance and space. My current rMBP has 16GB RAM and 512 GB SSD -- more than enough.

But I'll get the next rMBP for one reason: improved graphics performance. At the 1920x1200 resolution, even things as mundane as scrolling webpages is pretty low-FPS. Also, Google Chrome's aggressive GPU use seemed to be locking the whole OS about once a day, forcing a hard reboot.

Aside from the locking, which now seems to have been resolved with 10.8.2 12C60, I'd say it's been worth it to have phenomenal screen resolution over my previous MBP. Nearly two whole browser windows side-by-side is terrific. I've seen mild ghosting, but I wouldn't say it's affected my day to day operation.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by piyush_soni »

lazerwalker wrote: post #37
piyush_soni wrote: post #11

They're all about earning money by ANY unethical means possible. We should already boycott it for not only suing big companies for ridiculous patents, but for trying to EXTORT money from small coffee shops and online grocery shops who have nothing to do with electronics business!

Can you substantiate this claim at all? I'd love to hear how Apple is trying to extort money from coffee shops and grocery stores.

Sure! Though I'd love if people would ask this question before giving negative votes. Anyway, before you read these, just try to be a bit impartial towards any side, which is generally difficult for Apple fans.

(Tell me very honestly, if you think the logo of this small coffee shop in Germany has really any similarity with Apple's logo, except the fact that both of them are derived from the fruit apple!) http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1231539-Apple-sues-small...

That poor woman just sold coffee, not electronic devices. Any sane mind would not find any 'infringement', unless they believe Apple 'owns' the fruit itself now.

Second, they sue an online GROCERY shop from Poland since its website name is "a.pl". ".pl" is the top level domain code for Poland, a is the first alphabet. Even they are not competing with Apple in any manner, but it claims "they are using our reputation". WTF! http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409669,00.asp

They always know that small businesses can't fight back, so they are easy targets. No, please don't come up with arguments like "What's wrong with defending your brand?". This is NOT defending your brand. There's no brand name getting hurt here. You just think you own the fruit.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by LaGrange »

meaty wrote: post #51
astrodust wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although you might have requirements that aren't met by Apple's products, such as wanting a removable battery, to call them "expensive trinkets" with "no engineering" is absurd. Apple's work on the unibody case is but one example of how they're pushing manufacturing technology as far as it can go today. Other vendors are content to stamp out the same old plastic clamshell, to fit in the same old motherboard and optic…

Ahh yes the unibody which is basically a fucking big short circuit, hence why mine caught fire. It's engineering, but it's not SOUND ENGINEERING. I stand by my expensive trinket comment. Buy a Lenovo T-series and you'll understand.

Last time I've disassembled a Lenovo laptop it still had the entire thin aluminum shield thingie inside, y'know. And desktops are made of metal instead of wood and rich corinthian leather for (a bunch of) reason(s). On the other hand, my experiences with Lenovo T-series were mostly of the "flimsy pieces of crap that only look solid" category (but maybe I was just less than lucky).

Aggregated studies of customer satisfaction seem to still be so much better for Apple than for other manufacturers, that it's a bit hard to blame it all on confirmation bias.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by agscala »

ohwp wrote: post #7
kalleboo wrote: post #2

I have a Retina MacBook Pro with the same issue. It has really soured me to Macs (which I've used literally all my life). You know if this has happened to one of their more high-profile products (one that begins with an "i" and fits in your hand), it wouldn't fly. But Apple haven't had much pride in their Macs for years now, and have let really bad design flaws like this go unfixed.

Sometimes you can fix it yourself by running an animation with only 3 frames: one red, one green and one blue. Let it run all night if possible. It once fixed my Dell monitor with (as they called it) "lazy pixels".

I thought that running that animation will fix stuck pixels, not cure ghosting.
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