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Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by rvz »

dTal wrote: post #51
rvz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Interesting that Gemini said it was infeasible. Unless there is a hardware limitation or the hardware does not support it, anything in software is possible. Gemini and all these other LLMs are designed to convince you that they have "awareness" which they do not have any of the sort. They are neither sentient nor do they have consciousness

Bad take. Some things are feasible and some things are not, "anything is possible" is a useless framework. Example: go convert two smartphones to communicate p2p over their 4g radios - it's all software! LLM "awareness" is similarly irrelevant. They process information usefully, in a way grounded in reality, and that's that.

You seem to be all over the place, most of it by not reading the parent's comment. So let's break it all down.

> Bad take. Some things are feasible and some things are not, "anything is possible" is a useless framework.

It would help if you quoted the entire comment rather than removing the context and further giving a very bad example afterwards:

> Example: go convert two smartphones to communicate p2p over their 4g radios - it's all software!

Nice try. That is a hardware limitation in the 4G radio which is designed to connect to an operator mast. Even if you wanted to do it in software, the hardware does not support that P2P use-case which is what I already said.

> LLM "awareness" is similarly irrelevant.

Exactly. There is no such thing as awareness in LLMs.

The parent comment I replied to believed that an element of awareness had to be present to give an answer because this was done "several times over" in open source projects. Which that is inaccurate in the context of LLM research.

>> "It should be aware that using a Pico W as a transparent ethernet bridge has been done several times over in open source projects..."

> They process information usefully, in a way grounded in reality, and that's that.

Useful to those who know when it is either mostly correct or outright wrong.

Clearly in this example, Gemini doesn't even know if its own answers are grounded in reality and consequently people using them are unable to determine if the results they bring are true or not and there are countless examples of that.

So you know what you just said is not true.

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by bhouston »

Tepix wrote: post #66
bhouston wrote: post #49

Interesting project. In a similar but opposite vein, I am going on a vacation and I wanted to share the stupidly expensive internet in my room at night with the family so I am likely bringing a raspberry pi to have as a travel router attached to my Mac. In this case, I can use the RaspAP project: https://raspap.com/ This is slightly different in that I do want a NAT.

It's also slightly different because this project is for the Pi Pico.

Yeah, given the through put on the Pico is just 4Mbps in this setup, it will not work as a travel router for the family.

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by bhouston »

tehlike wrote: post #44
palata wrote: post #37

> Average 4.75 Mbits/sec throughput Isn't that slow for WiFi? I mean it's an interesting learning experience, but isn't that strictly worse than pretty much any WiFi dongle?

Yes, the guy clearly spent more of his time than it's worth - you can buy a wifi dongle for a few bucks on aliexpress. But that's exactly the point of such experience. It's a challenge, and the guy/gal nailed it.

You can not buy wifi usb adapters that work with MacOS on MacBooks I believe. I could be wrong but I think none of them have driver support.

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by type0 »

lionkor wrote: post #29
andrewstuart wrote: post #7

Google Gemini is that naysayer senior developer who confidently tells you it can’t be done. Claude is that easy to get along with smart hard working guy who just gets on with it and builds it double quick. ChatGPT is the eager senior developer who says it can be done but can’t actually work it out and fluffs it.

Actually, all of them are fallible, very incompetent machines that are good at writing text. They're not people, they don't have any qualities of people except the really bad ones, and they are absolutely miserable at reasoning. The only people I know who use Gemini are unemployed. The only people I know who use Claude vibe-code everything, often including their communication -- they probably let Claude kiss their ki…

> Everyone else uses ChatGPT

I'm actually tired that people put stupid questions in ChatGPT and then present in with a straight face as a source of truth. Sometimes it hallucinates completely, sometimes the conditions or regulation have changed and it gives false answers and no-one cares. Simple collaborations that was possible before now turn into unnecessary arguing. Some ChatGPT users aren't even aware that LLMs hallucinate, I just pointed it out recently and was accused of mansplaining and being a tinfoil hat.

> Nothing they do mirrors ...

"Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?"

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by rvz »

bookofjoe wrote: post #70
tehlike wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's often good to approach what llm said as a guidance, and not as ground truth. You can ask follow up questions or point to potential feasibility and it will change its answer.

Yes, but. I asked Perplexity Pro the same fact question (sports) three days in a row after correcting its error the first day and having the correction acknowledged with a promise to get it right in the future. Same error on second day, same promise. Third day: correct. Perhaps it needs to be in the "Slow" classroom....

It is "grounded in reality" and changes its answer like the weather.

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by functionmouse »

bookofjoe wrote: post #70
tehlike wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's often good to approach what llm said as a guidance, and not as ground truth. You can ask follow up questions or point to potential feasibility and it will change its answer.

Yes, but. I asked Perplexity Pro the same fact question (sports) three days in a row after correcting its error the first day and having the correction acknowledged with a promise to get it right in the future. Same error on second day, same promise. Third day: correct. Perhaps it needs to be in the "Slow" classroom....

perhaps we should stop personifying organized dirt

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by nekusar »

rvz wrote: post #75
bookofjoe wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but. I asked Perplexity Pro the same fact question (sports) three days in a row after correcting its error the first day and having the correction acknowledged with a promise to get it right in the future. Same error on second day, same promise. Third day: correct. Perhaps it needs to be in the "Slow" classroom....

It is "grounded in reality" and changes its answer like the weather.

No, Claude, etm are for "Entertainment purposes only", as listed in their TOS.

You know, like the same for horoscopes and psychics.

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by oarsinsync »

bookofjoe wrote: post #70
tehlike wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's often good to approach what llm said as a guidance, and not as ground truth. You can ask follow up questions or point to potential feasibility and it will change its answer.

Yes, but. I asked Perplexity Pro the same fact question (sports) three days in a row after correcting its error the first day and having the correction acknowledged with a promise to get it right in the future. Same error on second day, same promise. Third day: correct. Perhaps it needs to be in the "Slow" classroom....

I've never used Perplexity Pro, but I would expect the exact same outcome from Claude, as I don't have cross-session memory enabled.

If you do have cross-session memory enabled, I agree this is not glowing performance. If you don't, then I think it's working exactly as intended.

Re: Raspberry Pi Pico W as USB Wi-Fi Adapter

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Post by xd1936 »

tehlike wrote: post #43
polpo wrote: post #10

Interesting that Gemini said it was infeasible. It should be aware that using a Pico W as a transparent ethernet bridge has been done several times over in open source projects, for example on BlueSCSI (emulating a Daynaport SCSI-Ethernet adapter) and PicoMEM and my own PicoGUS project (emulating an NE2000 Ethernet adapter).

It's often good to approach what llm said as a guidance, and not as ground truth. You can ask follow up questions or point to potential feasibility and it will change its answer.

stopcitingai.com. Been trying to say this as much as possible.
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