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Re: Sakana Fugu

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Post by [deleted] »

lmm wrote: post #59
chenzhekl wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just stating facts about Sakana, and that was enough to trigger you? For the same reason, I don’t use GPT either. At least for now, DeepSeek has no ties to the defense sector. And don’t talk as if the CCP were the devil. The U.S. president is the world’s biggest arms dealer, after all.

> At least for now, DeepSeek has no ties to the defense sector. Like every company based in China they are under the control of the Chinese state, which is an armed entity known to use violence.

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Re: Sakana Fugu

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Post by hsaliak »

quanto wrote: post #68

There are so many derisive comments here. David Ha, CEO and co-founder, was one of the youngest managing director at Goldman Sachs before doing ML at Google. His ML publications were considered top-notch almost a decade ago. I had high hopes for him when he raised money and founded Sakana. I do agree with some comments here that perhaps this particular product is not well thought out. I also agree with the criticism…

so he's the quintessential brilliant jerk, ok

Re: Sakana Fugu

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Post by a2128 »

rvz wrote: post #25
holistio wrote: post #23

You pay $200/month to Anthropic, $200/month to OpenAI, $200/month to Cursor, $200/month to $200/month to Google, and seeing that it didn't come to a nice round $1024/month, you pay $200/month to Sakana to coordinate it all, because why not. While you're at it, feel free to send me $200 as well, I'll generate a crypto address ending with "AI".

Pay $0 to run a local model or even a cheap DeepSeek V4 model via their API which is close to free per million tokens. These prices are just going to get raced to $0.

I used to have a $20/mo ChatGPT subscription and now I spend $12 per year using Kimi models on OpenRouter, and that's with zero-data-retention-only providers (some models sometimes have free providers with scary tracking). Maybe I just don't use that many tokens, I don't fill the context with more than what's needed for a specific request, but it goes to show how these subscriptions can be an absolute ripoff. The thought of spending 200x that is insane to me

Re: Sakana Fugu

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Post by david_shi »

chenzhekl wrote: post #45
david_shi wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's similar to this: https://openrouter.ai/blog/announcements/fusion-beats-fronti... Basically, if you combine a bunch of near-frontier models (like GPT 5.5, etc) you can get performance that sometimes surpasses top line models like Claude's Fable. Sakana seems to have a separate approach using a domain specific model to perform the model routing step.

But it's priced the same as frontier models. Why do I not directly pay for frontier models?

This is a charitable read, but I think that being able to pick from a panoply of models will actually yield much better results in the long run.

The same model that has been post-trained to operate for hours as a Linux admin will be incapable of writing a heartfelt email, but with something like Fugu, you'd get both the Linux admin for driving the browser harness and the smaller writing specialist model for drafting the email itself.

Re: Sakana Fugu

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Post by Npovview »

david_shi wrote: post #22
puttycat wrote: post #17

Can someone explain this in layman terms? I don't understand any of it

It's similar to this: https://openrouter.ai/blog/announcements/fusion-beats-fronti... Basically, if you combine a bunch of near-frontier models (like GPT 5.5, etc) you can get performance that sometimes surpasses top line models like Claude's Fable. Sakana seems to have a separate approach using a domain specific model to perform the model routing step.

So plain old ensemble technique in classical ML.

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Post by epsteingpt »

quanto wrote: post #68

There are so many derisive comments here. David Ha, CEO and co-founder, was one of the youngest managing director at Goldman Sachs before doing ML at Google. His ML publications were considered top-notch almost a decade ago. I had high hopes for him when he raised money and founded Sakana. I do agree with some comments here that perhaps this particular product is not well thought out. I also agree with the criticism…

Kind of shocking - a model comes out that beats mythos and offers a reasonable price and it ... gets downvoted?

Probably taking hate from both sides - OpenAI / Claude fans who are undercutting its moat. Chinese open-model fans that want it to be cheaper.

But it's a genuine accomplishment to hit those benchmarks and offer a reasonable plan?

Bizarre reaction TBH.

Re: Sakana Fugu

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Post by da_grift_shift »

holistio wrote: post #23

You pay $200/month to Anthropic, $200/month to OpenAI, $200/month to Cursor, $200/month to $200/month to Google, and seeing that it didn't come to a nice round $1024/month, you pay $200/month to Sakana to coordinate it all, because why not. While you're at it, feel free to send me $200 as well, I'll generate a crypto address ending with "AI".

Yo dawg, I heard you like agents, so we put agents in yo agents so you can burn tokens while you burn tokens.

Re: Sakana Fugu

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Post by lmz »

71bw wrote: post #54

And yet, as per usual... Not yet available in the EU/EEA while we work toward compliance with GDPR and EU-specific regulations.

The price to pay for claiming your laws are applicable worldwide.
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